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To contact this jazz band and tell them to stop using this word?

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FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:25

There’s a local jazz event taking place soon and the bio describes the band as “Dixieland”. I remember the Dixie Chicks apologising and changing their name.

The word derives from the American South and is also used in a Confederate song. Here’s the full Wikipedia page for “Dixie”. Basically, its usage is racist.

I was surprised to see the word at all but also not surprised as I live in a very white Reform/Tory voting area.

AIBU to contact the band and ask them to change their description? Or leave them alone? I know what the reaction will be if I do contact them: just music blah blah been a traditional word for this style of jazz blah blah world gone mad woke blah joy thief etc. But I see no reason to use this word in this day and age.

WWYD?

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WaverOfSticks · 24/08/2024 20:19

FauxWhiteOrchid · 24/08/2024 17:36

No, other people had raised the same issue, apparently. And it isn’t the band in Bridlington btw.

Of course they had...

Iwasafool · 24/08/2024 19:59

I thought of this thread earlier. We were down on the seafront and a tribute act was singing Elvis songs, my husband was belting out "I wish I was in dixie" (not sure what the title is) along with the act. I was thinking the OP would be having a hissy fit about this big, black guy from north America singing that song. How very dare he.

FauxWhiteOrchid · 24/08/2024 17:36

No, other people had raised the same issue, apparently. And it isn’t the band in Bridlington btw.

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BIossomtoes · 24/08/2024 11:33

Miffylou · 24/08/2024 08:36

What good does it do anyone at all that they won’t be playing that style of music in the future? Does it make the world a better place in any way whatsoever? (No. Well done for making the world a slightly less diverse place.)

Spot on. Hope you’re proud of your pointless virtue signaling @FauxWhiteOrchid. Always assuming they’re not just fobbing you off, of course.

WaverOfSticks · 24/08/2024 11:07

Yay! Taking joy and music out of the world one band at a time...

Miffylou · 24/08/2024 08:36

FauxWhiteOrchid · 23/08/2024 23:40

Hi - got an update. I did email them and they replied. They were not aware of the connotations and said they would look into it. I got another email this morning thanking me for raising their awareness and they won’t be playing this style of music again in the future. In the meantime a friend said that they hadn’t been pulling in the crowds the way they used to and most of the members are part of another swing band so it looks like it is a commercial decision.

What good does it do anyone at all that they won’t be playing that style of music in the future? Does it make the world a better place in any way whatsoever? (No. Well done for making the world a slightly less diverse place.)

BorsetshireBanality · 24/08/2024 08:36

Ditching the boaters and the stripy waistcoats, yay!

FauxWhiteOrchid · 23/08/2024 23:40

Hi - got an update. I did email them and they replied. They were not aware of the connotations and said they would look into it. I got another email this morning thanking me for raising their awareness and they won’t be playing this style of music again in the future. In the meantime a friend said that they hadn’t been pulling in the crowds the way they used to and most of the members are part of another swing band so it looks like it is a commercial decision.

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sparkles79 · 06/08/2024 17:31

And what exactly would you suggest they change it to so they may market themselves to their audience?

DiscoBeat · 06/08/2024 17:21

As it's a specific genre of music to distinguish it from other types of jazz, they can't really change it unless they don't mind people not knowing what sort of band they are.

INeedAnotherName · 06/08/2024 17:07

I take it you haven't read the rest of the very interesting and informative posts that are in this thread by other posters. They have already explained it (several times). If you still can't understand then I cannot help you. I only responded to your post which had wrong information on it in case others skipped to the end.

NoDought · 06/08/2024 15:47

INeedAnotherName · 06/08/2024 15:24

This thread is about types of music. This is not about racism (no matter how hard you try to make it). To copy/paste a pp

It's a particular type of jazz, originally from New Orleans, and made popular by Louis Armstrong, among others. Just as there are other types such as swing, cool, gypsy or be bop.

This was a genuine question as I have clearly misunderstood it and want to understand it. Copying and pasting the origins of the music doesn’t explain how OP was concerned was racist, also doesn’t explain why Dixie chics felt the need to change their name but if I’m honest I don’t know how bothered I am about knowing now.

Rubyupbeat · 06/08/2024 15:46

One of my favourite types of jazz is Trad Jazz, often referred to as Dixieland/Dixie jazz. There are quite a few bands here in the UK I like, but the majority in the US, mainly south, we travel to New Orleans each year for a festival and I can tell you the bands are mainly black, a peppering of white musicians, but mainly black. Now are you saying they don't know what the word means? I am certain they would have shelved it if they saw a link to slavery.
I have never heard such a strange statement as you have made.

INeedAnotherName · 06/08/2024 15:24

NoDought · 06/08/2024 15:18

Is it like golly wouldn’t be offensive but gollywog would?

This thread is about types of music. This is not about racism (no matter how hard you try to make it). To copy/paste a pp

It's a particular type of jazz, originally from New Orleans, and made popular by Louis Armstrong, among others. Just as there are other types such as swing, cool, gypsy or be bop.

DragonGypsyDoris · 06/08/2024 15:23

FauxWhiteOrchid · 03/08/2024 10:32

Interesting that 86% have voted that I am BU.

Isn't that what posting on an open forum is about? Other members are not universally obliged to agree with you ... that's not how discussion/debate works.

NoDought · 06/08/2024 15:18

INeedAnotherName · 05/08/2024 23:12

@NoDought I quoted you because of your post. The fact you were surprised so many disagreed with the OP. And talking about getting a band name changed when it was nothing to do with a band name but a style of music. I think (after all those posts) the OP realises she's got it wrong. Now you do too. (And I know that sounds snarky but I don't mean to be).

Is it like golly wouldn’t be offensive but gollywog would?

ImustLearn2Cook · 06/08/2024 07:47

@FauxWhiteOrchid I didn’t know anything about the origin of the word Dixie or it’s racist connotations until your thread.

So I googled it to learn more. The more I learn the more I think YANBU.

This genre of jazz was not called Dixieland jazz by the African American musicians. It came about because of the name of a band of white musicians called: ‘The Original Dixieland Jazz Band.’

The following extract convinces me more and more that the name Dixieland is not ok to use.

By the turn of the century, many New Orleans bands were playing in a collective improvisational style. One of them was the Superior Band which included Bunk Johnson.
The Original Dixieland Jazz Band, a white group, copied Superior’s style and was the first to record (1917).

Bunk Johnson, Jazz Trumpeter born

*On this date we remember the birth of Bunk Johnson in 1879. He was an African American musician and composer.

http://aaregistry.org/story/an-early-jazz-trumpet-bunk-johnson/

INeedAnotherName · 05/08/2024 23:12

@NoDought I quoted you because of your post. The fact you were surprised so many disagreed with the OP. And talking about getting a band name changed when it was nothing to do with a band name but a style of music. I think (after all those posts) the OP realises she's got it wrong. Now you do too. (And I know that sounds snarky but I don't mean to be).

sunsetsandboardwalks · 05/08/2024 17:02

NoDought · 05/08/2024 16:54

Tell OP, not me, why did Dixie chicks need to change their name if it is the style of music?

They didn't need to change their name - they chose to.

They also weren't called the "Dixieland Chicks" nor do they play jazz music.

WaverOfSticks · 05/08/2024 17:01

Well, they weren't the "Dixieland Chicks"...

NoDought · 05/08/2024 16:54

INeedAnotherName · 05/08/2024 16:52

The word is Dixieland which is a style of jazz. It is not the bands name. It would be similar asking them not to use pop, or punk rock, or rap as a word.

Tell OP, not me, why did Dixie chicks need to change their name if it is the style of music?

INeedAnotherName · 05/08/2024 16:52

NoDought · 05/08/2024 16:19

I’m really surprised that 84% have said you’re unreasonable. I don’t think it would be unreasonable to contact them and just explain the origins of the word and maybe that Dixie chicks changed their name also. I’m sure it can be done in a non confrontational way. If I was a band member and I didn’t know the historical origins I would absolutely want to know.

The word is Dixieland which is a style of jazz. It is not the bands name. It would be similar asking them not to use pop, or punk rock, or rap as a word.

NoDought · 05/08/2024 16:19

I’m really surprised that 84% have said you’re unreasonable. I don’t think it would be unreasonable to contact them and just explain the origins of the word and maybe that Dixie chicks changed their name also. I’m sure it can be done in a non confrontational way. If I was a band member and I didn’t know the historical origins I would absolutely want to know.

CutthroatDruTheViolent · 05/08/2024 14:51

I agree with @Genevieva post above - I read your link and there's not really a lot of suggest what you mean is offensive. It comes from music associated with areas in the Mason-Dixon.

I'm not sure why the Tories and British politics need to be pulled into what black Americans may or may not find offensive. They're a whole different country. Americans don't like us saying we're going out for Chinese, or using the word uppity either <shrug>

TulipinUK · 05/08/2024 14:37

In a country where everyone and anyone is being offended leave them alone.