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To think she's gearing up to cancel?

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SunflowerMabel · 03/08/2024 08:02

Last year the mum of my DC's friend kindly offered for her to join them on a mini break they had planned this year. I paid for her share of the accommodation and food (around £300)

Getting together has been a bit more tricky since they started (different) schools but we generally met up once a month or so.

So, they are due to go on on this mini break on Monday and I haven't heard back from mum. I text last weekend suggesting we meet up for lunch/an activity and asked for confirmation RE what time they'd be leaving to get to the destination etc and I haven't heard anything back at all.

She has been active on social media. I don't want to pester her but I'm getting a bit concerned that there's a cancellation coming. Surely there would be some contact by now if it was going ahead?

AIBU/WWYD?

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ShutTheFuckUpCakes · 03/08/2024 11:09

SunflowerMabel · 03/08/2024 11:07

Yes! That was me!

I was humming and ahhing about it even back then.

And the original plan was that you'd go too? Which leads me to think she doesn't want to take your DD on her own but doesn't know how to tell you... I'd contact her and be honest. She will almost certainly be relieved!

SunflowerMabel · 03/08/2024 11:07

ShutTheFuckUpCakes · 03/08/2024 10:58

Hang on didn't you post about this before ages ago, when the mum was pressuring you to decide and pay up immediately because of the discount if she booked while she was still there? And loads of posters advised against it?

Yes! That was me!

I was humming and ahhing about it even back then.

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sleekcat · 03/08/2024 11:07

It's very weird that she hasn't responded to you - even if she couldn't answer the phone you'd think she could manage a message saying 'can't talk right now, call back in a bit.' If she's not going to answer I'd be tempted to call round at her house when you know she's there. It's not as if you're being unreasonable - you've tried to contact her, it's quite a big thing for the children, and you've paid her £300. Paying £300 means she has no choice but to speak to you about it.

I don't think it's bad for your daughter to go away with someone else at 5 years old. It's up to you to make the call whether or not she is up for this. If she's had sleepovers and enjoyed them, that's a good sign. My youngest hated sleepovers and got anxiety in the middle of the night and so it would have been tricky. But we all want them to have nice experiences and since you say you can collect her, it's worth trying. You could even go up there and spend some time with them perhaps? And you can make plans so that she can call you? My children are older but I would have let them go and just dealt with any issues as they came.

Of course, that doesn't help with the present problem. What did your message say? I'd send a more urgent one saying really need to confirm details of the trip as it's so close, hope everything is ok as I can't get through to you. If still no response you'll have to go to her house, as she does have your money!

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SunflowerMabel · 03/08/2024 11:04

brightyellowflower · 03/08/2024 10:58

I absolutely do, and I know how it's very tempting to treat any ND child as older than they are. She's 5. You give her one - to -one special time in a different way. I stand by what I wrote and I'm not the only one shocked at someone who would seemingly happily agree for their very young child to go away, not for a night or a day trip, but for a week with a school mum who doesn't even respond to messages.

I don't need to calm down. You need to reassess what you were thinking. In theory a week with a close family member would be brilliant for her and yes, give her opportunities she might otherwise not get. But this isn't that.

This woman is effectively a stranger to you.

Don't get defensive because I'm telling you it's a poor parenting choice. It is and deep down I think you know that. Cancel it. At best your child will have a great time but will be completely uncontactable for the entire week as the Mum is flakey af. At worst, christ, doesn't bear thinking about.

Sadly some people do need telling.

I'm not remotely defensive about you or anybody else expressing the opinion that it's a poor parenting choice to send her. I can understand that.

What got my back up is the accusation that I'm shipping her off because I'm not coping with my disabled child. Why would you say that when there is nothing to indicate anything of the sort?

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Sinderalla · 03/08/2024 11:04

berksandbeyond · 03/08/2024 08:59

You paid £300 for your 5 year old to go to a holiday park with another family? You’re a mug, you just paid for their holiday. What a bizarre thing to do, why would you even let your child go away with another family like that?

Not really nice to be name calling.
OP had been humble and regretful in her texts needing advice not abuse.
Must be nice to be a perfect parent!!

minipie · 03/08/2024 11:03

Contrary to all the posters advising to call, in this situation I would absolutely text.

I would be saying something like “Just wanted to check in about the trip next weekend, if you are having second thoughts about taking DD that’s totally fine, appreciate they are very young still! We are flexible so just let me know what you’d like to do or we can chat by phone”

This way you have given her an out if she wants one, she can think about it and call/text you knowing you’re flexible. Whereas if you call her she is put on the spot.

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Mishmashs · 03/08/2024 11:03

OP it sounds fine to me - she’s not some random woman! From what’ve you’ve said you do know her, meet fairly regularly, have had sleepovers. She sounds like a good friend and maybe she’s been exceptionally busy recently? You did talk about the trip quite recently?

SunflowerMabel · 03/08/2024 11:00

CautiousLurker · 03/08/2024 10:46

So, you were willing to let your 5yo go away with a woman with whom you just have a whatsapp relationship and do not feel you know well enough to phone her?

I’m an over anxious person and experienced CSA so am probably OTT, but I never allowed my children to do sleep-overs until they were 6 or 7 and only with people who I knew very, very well (and their partners…). Holidays away were only done within a school setting , I think those started with 1-2 nights at the age of 7/8 and built up to 10 days at GCSE age.

So…. I am not sure that I’d be countenancing letting my child go away with someone who is not a close friend and does not reply to messages - or that I feel I am ‘pestering’ when they do not reply.

I’d be asking for my money back and parking this as an unwise idea not to be repeated.

It isn't just a WhatsApp relationship. We've known one another for about 2.5 years. There has been sleep overs, dozens of days out together and on several occasions she has taken DD out without me (chessington a couple of months ago being the most recent time - I was working and she offered to take her as her DD wanted mine to come)

For what it's worth me and my oldest friends (of 20 odd years) don't even call one another. I don't think that's a reflection of how trustworthy somebody is. Most people from my generation and afterwards prefer to text rather than call.

However, I did call her.

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Sinderalla · 03/08/2024 10:59

SunflowerMabel · 03/08/2024 08:37

I'll give her a call this evening. I definitely don't want to foist DD on them if one or both have changed their mind as that wouldn't be fair on anybody and I'd spend the duration worrying if I wasn't sure she was welcome/wanted 😕

I'm in two minds atm. The other option being to just say nothing and leave it as it is.. prep DD for a change of plan.. and tell mum not to worry about it when she eventually gets in touch to apologise/cancel.

She's definitely not the type to diddle somebody out of money so I'm not worried about that aspect

Withhold your number

FrancisSeaton · 03/08/2024 10:59

Beautiful3 · 03/08/2024 10:53

If you know and trust her, then I'm sure the holiday will be fine. I wouldn't cancel it. However if she doesn't contact you by the week before, then I'd assume it's off.

They are meant to go Monday

ShutTheFuckUpCakes · 03/08/2024 10:58

Hang on didn't you post about this before ages ago, when the mum was pressuring you to decide and pay up immediately because of the discount if she booked while she was still there? And loads of posters advised against it?

brightyellowflower · 03/08/2024 10:58

I absolutely do, and I know how it's very tempting to treat any ND child as older than they are. She's 5. You give her one - to -one special time in a different way. I stand by what I wrote and I'm not the only one shocked at someone who would seemingly happily agree for their very young child to go away, not for a night or a day trip, but for a week with a school mum who doesn't even respond to messages.

I don't need to calm down. You need to reassess what you were thinking. In theory a week with a close family member would be brilliant for her and yes, give her opportunities she might otherwise not get. But this isn't that.

This woman is effectively a stranger to you.

Don't get defensive because I'm telling you it's a poor parenting choice. It is and deep down I think you know that. Cancel it. At best your child will have a great time but will be completely uncontactable for the entire week as the Mum is flakey af. At worst, christ, doesn't bear thinking about.

Sadly some people do need telling.

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Beautiful3 · 03/08/2024 10:53

If you know and trust her, then I'm sure the holiday will be fine. I wouldn't cancel it. However if she doesn't contact you by the week before, then I'd assume it's off.

Clafoutie · 03/08/2024 10:52

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What?!

SunflowerMabel · 03/08/2024 10:52

Gonnajusttakeaminute · 03/08/2024 10:44

OP you mentioned 'ADHD tax'. Suggest you take a step back and work out how much of your worries here might be RSD rather than what's actually happening. From what you've said (and particularly the update on the discussion around two weeks ago) I think this being that your friend is planning to cancel but just doesn't know how to say that is possible but unlikely. What is far more likely is that she knows they're going on Monday, she knows you know that, and she hasn't gotten around to setting a time. Not great but as I said I wonder if RSD is leaving you to read something into this that isn't there.

Maybe she does want to cancel and doesn't know how to say but given you've paid and have had recent contact about it, she's leaving that incredibly late.

On whether it's too young to send her away - completely depends on you and your child. If you don't want to - cancel but don't change your mind because people on Mumsnet are horrified anyone would agree to this at 5. Your DD wants to go and that's a big thing. With a friend I trusted I'd have let my DD go at 5 in the circumstances you described. My own parents left me for a week with an aunt at 5 to go on holiday and whilst some would say that was family, for various reasons I knew my aunt and her family far less well than it seems your DD knows your friend. Only you can say whether this holiday is in the best interests of your child.

Edited

Thank you, this is definitely pause for thought.

I am prone to RSD, worrying and thinking the worst!

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HeySummerWhereAreYou · 03/08/2024 10:51

@SunflowerMabel

I know it's been said already, but I agree that you should phone her. Why does no-one ever want to pick up the phone these days? Confused Moreso millennials and Gen Z! My DC generation (born 1990s and later) will whatsapp and text people til they're blue in the face, but would rather cut off their own arm than pick up the phone and actually ring someone, and SPEAK to them.

I even occasionally see my DDs pass people in the street who are friends, or colleagues, and they just half smile and walk away as quickly as possible. Yet they are chatting non-stop over whatsapp! It's like they have forgotten how to speak to each other unless they are at work together, or socialising with others together. LOADS of young people (mostly 39 and under) who I know, do the same.

Also, whilst £300 may seem a bit much to pay for a 5-6 year old child, I think a lot of people are underestimating the price of holidays and trips within the UK. They can cost several thousand £££. The other parent will be looking after the OP's child for potentially a week, and feeding her and entertaining her. Even if the mini-break is say, 3-4 days, it could still cost a £700-900. Even much more ... Depending on what it is, and where it is of course.

Bunnycat101 · 03/08/2024 10:51

I have to admit I was surprised when you said a reception child. My 5yo is happy to spend time with grandparents but even then I’m not 100% sure she won’t have a wobble. I think you have been a little ambitious going for that length of time with a family you don’t know so well.

I can’t imagine offering to take away someone else’s 5yo but if I was, I’d absolutely be confirming arrangements and getting everything sorted and clear well before going so your friend is being a bit off by not replying. You shouldn’t be writing off the £300 if it doesn’t happen for any reason. That is a lot.

brightyellowflower · 03/08/2024 10:51

*universe obviously (got to love autocorrect!)

Clafoutie · 03/08/2024 10:50

SunflowerMabel · 03/08/2024 10:49

You need to calm down.

It was never about packing her off because I'm struggling with my special needs child. Why did you make that up?

What I actually said, as you know because you read it, was that I thought it would be good for her to get to go and experience something that she otherwise wouldn't get to do.

If you have a SN child yourself you'll presumably know how that has an impact on siblings. Can you not see how important it is for those siblings to get to lead as 'normal' a life as possible as they are already missing out on so much?

I have never shipped my children off to anybody because of an inability to cope, thanks.

Well said OP.

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Newsenmum · 03/08/2024 10:49

If you phone her she might panic and finally text back 😂

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