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To think this is overkill (Huw Edwards)

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BeachParty · 03/08/2024 03:08

Don't get me wrong, what he did was heinous.
I don't care how or why you got pics on your phone. 🤢😡. 😥

https://deadline.com/2024/08/doctor-who-episode-huw-edwards-removed-bbc-iplayer-1236029881/

Deleting all reference from someone from fictional shows though seems a bit 😕
It's a character, it's not the real life person.
If we started deleting everyone with problematic/disgusting views, would we be left with any art at all?!

'Doctor Who' episode 'Fear Her' removed from iPlayer after featuring Huw Edwards

‘Doctor Who’ Episode Featuring Disgraced Presenter Huw Edwards Removed From BBC iPlayer To Be Redubbed

The BBC has removed from iPlayer a David Tennant episode of 'Doctor Who' that features Huw Edwards, the disgraced news anchor.

https://deadline.com/2024/08/doctor-who-episode-huw-edwards-removed-bbc-iplayer-1236029881

OP posts:
ChishiyaBat · 03/08/2024 11:02

LuluBlakey1 · 03/08/2024 10:26

You are choosing to miss my points. Never mind

So, What were your points?

mommatoone · 03/08/2024 10:59

EatingTillIDie · 03/08/2024 05:29

He isn't a paedophile. It is OTT.

Would you let him look after your 7 year old child? No, me neither.

FrancisSeaton · 03/08/2024 10:58

None of the nonce sympathisers have answered my questions at all- if he was only interested in perfectly legal above board material why was he in a WhatsApp chat with someone who knew was a paedo?

alldayeveryday247 · 03/08/2024 10:55

Isn't it just @Naunet

I was shocked how common a suspended sentence is for this crime.

Terrifying and depressing.

Naunet · 03/08/2024 10:52

alldayeveryday247 · 03/08/2024 10:51

How utterly depressing.

FrancisSeaton · 03/08/2024 10:51

@EatingTillIDie if you mean the one who's parents went to the sun he was a teenager at that time
Otherwise homophobia doesn't come into it and you know this

alldayeveryday247 · 03/08/2024 10:51

I googled 'suspended sentence' and 'category a images' and there are endless recent examples from the last month or so @Hummingbird75

www.northumberlandgazette.co.uk/news/crime/blyth-man-gets-suspended-sentence-after-indecent-images-of-children-found-on-his-computer-4507512

www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4ng9ljv436o.amp

pembrokeshire-herald.com/91468/suspended-sentence-for-distribution-and-possession-of-child-abuse-images/

www.gazette-news.co.uk/news/24231671.colchester-man-24-downloaded-child-abuse-images-court-hears/

www.edp24.co.uk/news/24474265.lowestoft-man-given-suspended-sentence-indecent-images/

www.shropshirestar.com/news/local-hubs/telford/2024/01/23/man-who-had-over-160000-images-of-children-handed-a-suspended-prison-sentence/

www.wigantoday.net/news/crime/suspended-sentence-for-wigan-man-who-had-library-of-indecent-child-images-4580309

www.eadt.co.uk/news/24398700.suspended-sentence-monstrous-east-bergholt-paedophile/

I'm really pleased you've never seen someone walk free (with a SS) with 40 images but many of the above had hundreds and still got a suspended sentence.

If you work in this space and say you are 100% sure someone will be given an custodial sentence, not a suspended sentence, it's very surprising. It's not uncommon at all, despite the sentencing guidelines.

Simonjt · 03/08/2024 10:41

EatingTillIDie · 03/08/2024 10:14

Is noone else deeply uncomfortable at the homophobia of the suggestion he is a paedophile because he was getting photos from a 20 year old man?

I don't usually get myself involved in online discussions but this has peed me off.

So if the person sending you a photo of a seven year old is being raped is an adult, in your mind that makes it okay?

Rosscameasdoody · 03/08/2024 10:41

EatingTillIDie · 03/08/2024 10:16

They guy who distributed those images has been done for it (not harshly enough in my view). Waiting to see evidence of HE having actually viewed them before making further judgement.

Doesn’t matter whether he viewed them or not - he should have gone to the police as soon as he realised what they were, but he kept them. Regardless of that, it’s beyond disgusting that HE corresponded with a teenager and paid him to get sexually explicit photos of young people, whatever their age. He perpetuated their exploitation.

alldayeveryday247 · 03/08/2024 10:39

Hummingbird75 · 03/08/2024 10:36

Take a look at the sentencing guidelines.

Yes the guidelines exist but for some reason are not consistently followed in reality. As is evident from the man who sent them to HE and the other examples on this thread.

Simonjt · 03/08/2024 10:38

greengreyblue · 03/08/2024 09:49

I’m in shock. Mumsnet , a predominantly female forum is bending over backwards to excuse this evil man.

Wealthy white man syndrome

TheSecretIsland · 03/08/2024 10:38

Hummingbird75 · 03/08/2024 10:36

Take a look at the sentencing guidelines.

So why didn't the person who sent them get sent to jail?

I don't agree btw, they should be imprisoned, at a minimum

alldayeveryday247 · 03/08/2024 10:36

@Hummingbird75

I have never seen a defendant walk out on a SS for 40 category A images. I am sure there will be the odd example one can dig up - but on the whole the sentencing guidelines are adhered to.

amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/article/2024/aug/01/man-who-shared-indecent-images-with-huw-edwards-named-as-alex-williams

I didn't attempt to dig up an example, I'm saying the specific man who sent them to Huw Edwards was given a SS. So it's unlikely Huw Edwards will see the inside of a cell for receiving the same images.

As I say, our sentencing guidelines are terrifying for it to be possible for someone sending dozens of category A images to get a SS.

Hummingbird75 · 03/08/2024 10:36

Take a look at the sentencing guidelines.

noworklifebalance · 03/08/2024 10:36

Hummingbird75 · 03/08/2024 10:33

I have never seen a defendant walk out on a SS for 40 category A images. I am sure there will be the odd example one can dig up - but on the whole the sentencing guidelines are adhered to.

from what I read, he had 3 cat A images/videos out of the 40 child sex abuse images found on his phone/whatsapp

Doesn’t make a difference in my eyes but wanted to clarify the facts as I have read them.

TheSecretIsland · 03/08/2024 10:35

Hummingbird75 · 03/08/2024 10:26

He will 100% be going to prison with 40 CAT A images.

I work in law and this is my job! He will receive credit for his early guilty plea, however he has a number of aggravating factors to consider as well.

https://www.mylondon.news/news/east-london-news/names-faces-eight-paedophiles-perverts-28062972

Eight that haven't and that's with a cursory search.

Names and faces of 8 paedophiles and perverts who walked free this year

Amongst them are a man who had a thing for poo and a pensioner who watched a video of a woman being forced to have sex with an animal

https://www.mylondon.news/news/east-london-news/names-faces-eight-paedophiles-perverts-28062972

cathyandclaire · 03/08/2024 10:33

Sorry @Hummingbird75 - I think I quoted you erroneously there!

Hummingbird75 · 03/08/2024 10:33

alldayeveryday247 · 03/08/2024 10:28

@Hummingbird75

He will 100% be going to prison with 40 CAT A images.

I'm not sure how you're confident of that when unfortunately the man who actually sent him those images hasn't even gone to prison.

He got a suspended sentence. Won't see the inside of a cell now unless he reoffends.

Our laws are beyond fucked up.

I have never seen a defendant walk out on a SS for 40 category A images. I am sure there will be the odd example one can dig up - but on the whole the sentencing guidelines are adhered to.

PhillipMontyTomato · 03/08/2024 10:30

Might not be the point of this thread but it really bothers me that there is a celebratory musical about Michael Jackson in London.

Willyoujustbequiet · 03/08/2024 10:30

EatingTillIDie · 03/08/2024 10:09

As far as I can see, he received some illegal images and asked that they not be sent again. Doesn't sound like someone who wants to look at underage pics to me.

He hasn't been charged with anything else. Given they will have gone through all his history, that's telling to me, if this is all they could find.

If this is all?

You're not serious.

You would continue to chat for a long time to someone who already sent you a video of a 7 year old being penetrated?

Unbelievable.

cathyandclaire · 03/08/2024 10:29

@Hummingbird75
There is a potential defence, the burden of proof is on the defendant to show they were unsolicited/ they did not know what they were/deleted them rapidly.
<a class="break-all" href="https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20100916230916/www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/extreme_pornography/#a07" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20100916230916/www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d<a class="break-all" href="https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20100916230916/www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/extreme_pornography/#a07" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">too<a class="break-all" href="https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/ukgwa/20100916230916/www.cps.gov.uk/legal/d_to_g/extreme_pornography/#a07" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">g/extremepornography/#a07

Huw Edwards and his KC did not attempt this defence. HE only said he didn't want anything illegal when directly prompted by Williams, he was not proactive in asking for adult content only.

alldayeveryday247 · 03/08/2024 10:28

@Hummingbird75

He will 100% be going to prison with 40 CAT A images.

I'm not sure how you're confident of that when unfortunately the man who actually sent him those images hasn't even gone to prison.

He got a suspended sentence. Won't see the inside of a cell now unless he reoffends.

Our laws are beyond fucked up.

fieldsofflowers · 03/08/2024 10:27

Hummingbird75 · 03/08/2024 10:26

He will 100% be going to prison with 40 CAT A images.

I work in law and this is my job! He will receive credit for his early guilty plea, however he has a number of aggravating factors to consider as well.

priest at my school had more than this number and only a handful of years ago was given a suspended sentence and went to work at another school.
whole Huw will probably be made an example of i wouldn’t bet on it