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to think these people in Sunderland are not "protesting".

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Misthios · 02/08/2024 22:29

They are not protestors. They are not protesting. They are common or garden thugs and criminals who are causing criminal damage, setting police offices on fire and attacking police officers.

Total scumbags.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnl0lkrxgvxo

Building on fire

Protesters in Sunderland set car on fire and clash with police

Northumbria Police says its officers have been "subjected to serious violence".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnl0lkrxgvxo

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ContactNightmare · 02/08/2024 23:46

Well there’s no effective right of protest give the last government and facial recognition tech is in Boots! They are a bit late with their paranoia

QueenOfHiraeth · 02/08/2024 23:45

PandoraSox · 02/08/2024 23:25

I don't dismiss the idea of agents provocateurs, but if there are some they are not on the frontline of the riots or in government offices. They are in a room somewhere in another country, tapping out hate on a keyboard.

Just adjusting my tin foil hat!

I have some friends who are serious tin foil hat folk. They subscribe to the orchestrated and manipulated views of this but think the government and other shady powers are doing it to have an excuse to bring in restrictions, surveillance, 15 minute cities, etc.

mugboat · 02/08/2024 23:45

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I'm British, born and bred. I feel at risk from aggressive, thuggish rioters. I do not feel at risk from immigrants/people of colour.

I do want my country back, I want it back from the idiotic rioters.

PandoraSox · 02/08/2024 23:44

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Can you explain what it is you want "back"?

CassieMaddox · 02/08/2024 23:44

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Sorren · 02/08/2024 23:43

Unfortunately this has been bubbling for a while now I think. This awful incident is the match that lit the fire.

The right are stoking it and probably outside influences too. However there are also a lot of people (who mostly don’t use violence or even protest) who given a choice would prefer not have a hotel full of predominantly young male asylum seekers within walking distance of their house. It’s this issue and the governments failure to deal with it adequately that has led to this.

However, violent protests are totally unacceptable and if people are genuinely unhappy with this then they should protest peacefully about it.

The police need to get on top of this quickly and the government need to do whatever they can to dampen the dissent by being proactive on this issue.

bombastix · 02/08/2024 23:42

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Yes. So they set fire to things and scare the shit out of people. Because they have good answers

Edingril · 02/08/2024 23:41

StressedAndDepressed1 · 02/08/2024 23:37

No, the people inciting racial hatred everyday and blaming every issue in this country on immigration are to blame.

No the rioters who don't have a brain cell between them are to blame

They probably couldn't look up personal responsibility in a book nor have any idea why they are actually rioting except they have the intelligence level the size of a gnat

ChemicalAli · 02/08/2024 23:41

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Lifeomars · 02/08/2024 23:40

StressedAndDepressed1 · 02/08/2024 23:23

I find it very interesting that none of this mob turned out when Lucy Letby killed multiple babies, and was found guilty in court.

Yet when there's a rumour floating around on social media they can mobilise to smash up multiple towns and cities.

And who remembers all those women getting arrested at the vigil for Sarah Everard, I know it was during lockdown but the police were shocking. Oddly there was no rioting over the crimes of Wayne Couzens, a rapist and a murderer though Stephen Yaxley Lennon thinks rape is an appalling crime or is that only in certain circumstances?

PandoraSox · 02/08/2024 23:39

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True, but some may be encouraged to attend. then again, I suppose anyone with any inkling to attend will know the details already.

EasterIssland · 02/08/2024 23:39

We are visiting Weymouth this weekend. I’ve checked the local news. The only rumours are that it’s planned for 5pm by the jubilee clock.

im from Bristol. The counter march is planned tomorrow at 12 I think I’ve seen from castle park. Don’t think I could see much info about the edl one in local news

shams05 · 02/08/2024 23:39

Yup we had to change dds opticians appointment from Sunday to Saturday as Specsavers is right near the own hall and a protest is planned for Sunday.

YabaJaba · 02/08/2024 23:38

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StressedAndDepressed1 · 02/08/2024 23:37

Edingril · 02/08/2024 23:30

No they are doing it themselves no one is to blame for what they are doing except the idiots doing it

No, the people inciting racial hatred everyday and blaming every issue in this country on immigration are to blame.

ChemicalAli · 02/08/2024 23:36

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plhkldsytrd · 02/08/2024 23:36

they don't actually know, they know that they hate "forrin" people and "mooslims" and they love getting pissed up, snorting coke and fighting. Seen a couple of them interviewed and they made the average chimp sound like an orator

Reminds me of the "protests" when the Iraq war started, protestors in my town chanted "stop the war, kill the Iraqis" Hmm

PandoraSox · 02/08/2024 23:35

Is it a good idea to circulate the dates and times of the "protests". I know it will be all over Twitter etc, but maybe we shouldn't give them the extra oxygen? Plus MNHQ might not be happy!

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wayfairer · 02/08/2024 23:34

Hope every stays safe, sadly the tax payers will be paying for all the destruction some of these rioters need to be charged with attempted murder, throwing a brick at people is attempted murder so awful saw a video of a policeman getting hit disgusting hope their all ok

Lifeomars · 02/08/2024 23:33

plhkldsytrd · 02/08/2024 23:19

What are they protesting exactly?

they don't actually know, they know that they hate "forrin" people and "mooslims" and they love getting pissed up, snorting coke and fighting. Seen a couple of them interviewed and they made the average chimp sound like an orator

ChemicalAli · 02/08/2024 23:32

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Highonthehillsisalonelygoatherd · 02/08/2024 23:32

HeyTalkToMeGoose · 02/08/2024 23:24

@Highonthehillsisalonelygoatherd

It's on tik tok

Portsmouth
Bristol
Leeds
High Wycombe
Belfast
Nottingham
Blackpool
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Manchester
Hull
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Tomorrow,august 3rd

Oh goodness, that's awful 😪 I had no idea it was that widespread.

MistressoftheDarkSide · 02/08/2024 23:32

EmeraldRoulette · 02/08/2024 23:22

Yes the copycat thing is a problem. There was a point during the 2011 riots where it became clear to me that the news had suddenly stopped. It was around 10/11 pm and I was getting reports from colleagues all over London whose high roads were being smashed up - but the reporting suddenly stopped. They fixed on Clapham and stayed there after it calmed.

Even LBC, which was predominantly a London station at that time, was no longer taking calls from people who could tell you where to avoid going. I then realised that this was a policy in order to stop copycat rioting.

Obviously now social media is more in use, the copycats have greater access to information about where to go next. and they will use media where the messages disappear immediately in order to lead the group onto the next specific locality.

I nearly posted on a different thread about this, yours in fact @MistressoftheDarkSide - to say the level of orchestration here is extremely high. The organisers have been waiting to unleash this for some time. And much as the London riots were terrifying, this looks worse.

Twitter is riddled with people with pics and blue ticks encouraging it. Not people we know. People whose accounts have been up a few months. Likely not even real people. All posting in sympathy for the thugs.

Agreed. We do have homegrown useful idiots for any agencies that think destabilisation on a mass scale could be helpful to any number of agendas. It just takes the right catalyst and voila.... The potential scale of this over the weekend is what's giving me hinky vibes.

Outbreaks like this have happened before, yes, but usually it's confined to a few localised areas and dies down pretty quickly. The toxic ingredients of this looked at as a whole are so volatile. It's almost as though we have had fascist sleeper cells just biding their time. It is so beyond the comprehension of most people that a tragedy so horrendous and so personal could be used in this way, it's sickening.

But while there are a good proportion of knuckledraggers on the ground, it's dangerous to assume a complete lack of intelligence in the background. Most psychopaths are dangerously intelligent after all.

CassieMaddox · 02/08/2024 23:32

PyongyangKipperbang · 02/08/2024 23:30

Terry Pratchett once described the IQ of a mob as the IQ of the thickest person divided by the number of mobsters. Accurate I would say.

He was very wise, couched in humour

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