to think these people in Sunderland are not "protesting".

@Wishfulthinking1977 just saw your edit. Yes, he did say that. But if peaceful protesters were upset about that, the correct response would not be rioting? It would be a peaceful protest, surely.

I do hope you caught the video I'm referencing.

Food for the soul, if ever I saw it!

So short of money because they are sat at home on benefits then breed the next generation to do the same and have no intelligence to do any different?

They are unpatriotic, anti democratic and can get to fuck.

Here's a list of towns being rioted in over the weekend. It seems more comprehensive than the other ones I've seen on this thread

What an absolute load of shite 🙄

I've written long posts on here, not posted them, deleted and re-written because I can't really articulate what I want to say. But scrap it all...I like this one!

@Wishfulthinking1977 reports coming up where please? I know TV channels can be horribly misleading too.

im probably over sensitive as a woman of colour who has seen a huge increase in racism on MN this week. I’m proud and happy to be British but this stuff is unnerving for all - but also makes me worry how many people wish I wasn’t here and want my ancestors never to have been here, regardless of how far we date back and having been fully integrated and happy here.

I now live where I grew up, a very white part of Essex. It’s always been great. I just hope this doesn’t spoil that. I’m glad I’m not in London anymore but I wonder if the rioters are avoiding it and think the police are too well prepared and now looking to go countrywide to increase impact.

These are actual hate marches, someone needs to tell Suella

Of course it’s pretty much always men. If they wanted to protest about anything it should be about male violence but these violent thugs wouldn’t get the irony.

@oakleaffy and @spikeandbuffy after seeing what’s happened in my city tonight I’d stay as far away from the area as possible.

@Appledoughnut
Did I say that?

Read my post again.

There are riots because a bunch of racist thugs have used the tragic murder of three little girls as an excuse for violence, mayhem and vandalism. These people are not looking at any NHS waiting times or public service cuts. Hell they aren't even looking at the immigration figures. They are just racist cunts using someone else's tragic loss to suit their agenda.

Rioting shitbags.

I hope every single one of them takes a brick to the plums.

My City, too... It's had riots before, but I just don't understand it.. What is the point? Looting? Just for the sheer ''Fun'' of it?

It's almost always men.

Loads of rhetoric about stopping the boats. The language being used about people coming over. All the headlines.

Then there was the horrendous events in Southport and the misinformation about the person on social media. People didn't stop to think. It just suited their narrative.

Social media fanning the flames.

It's easy to see how people can be radicalised.

Then something happens. They believe that it was a Muslim and an asylum seeker. And that's all you need.

No don't really read the news and don't have twitter! It was more of reports that came up and I suppose reactions I saw?!I did watch his statement though! He did seem very ' it's all far right?' which is a bit inflammatory?!

What the white yobbos need is a bit of aspiration and something to aspire to like some local industry that might produce something.

Stops them from getting bored and doing a bit of rioting.

Great post. Some of these people will be the same ones who have work friends / acquaintances from different ethnic backgrounds and they wouldn't say a word to them. But,stick them with a load of dickheads on a Friday night and it's game on. Hypocrites.

It’s not difficult to understand why the riots are happening.

We are in the middle of a COL crisis. People are short of money. Hospital waiting lists are longer than ever. Schools are underfunded. Public services are being cut.

People see the immigration figures, the asylum seekers being housed in hotels, the statistics of the small boats arriving - and they instinctively think “hang on, if there weren’t so many people sharing this pie, I might get a bigger piece”. That thought is at the back of their mind all the time.

Then an atrocity is committed, and it’s by someone with a non-English name and dark skin, and they immediately connect the 2 issues. And they feel angry, and decide to riot.

I’m not justifying it at all, but it’s not hard to see how and why it happens.

German people were struggling, and Hitler used that fact to get normal people to turn on their neighbours.

When people feel short-changed, they get angry and they want someone to blame.

This is actually what I was complaining about with the dubious Twitter accounts

blaming him for something he said when you didn’t hear what he said is mad, but in many cases this is what is being used to fan flames. That’s why I went back and listened again. You don’t believe newspaper headlines I hope.

Mind you this is a rhetorical question but don't these poor misunderstood rioters have jobs to go to?

Or beer bottles to smash over their own heads before they grab their car keys, phone and shout 'just going out to get me some action'

The speed and scale of all this is rather unprecedented. The seeds of division in every area of society have been sown for a very long time. From a purely objective point of view we've got civil unrest and there will be a natural uptick in conspiratorial thinking because we "need" some sort of answer and it's very difficult to see relatively sudden unrest in so many areas at once.

Some people will demand "heavy handed authoritarianism" as we saw during lockdown, and others will want appeasement and a softer approach. Alot, I think, like myself are going "Oh feck" because it seems the genie is out of the bottle and every solution will come with some unintended consequences.

Honestly I really don't know what to think anymore beyond the strong urge to go out and knock the idiots heads together which is also unhelpful. But here we are, buttons being pushed in every direction.

There was some recent footage in Manchester whereby groups of yobs donned their finest England flags left over from the Euros and preceded to , well ' kick off' outside a hotel where migrants are housed. It was just basically an excuse for the local chavs to join forces on a quiet Wednesday evening. Disgraceful

I disagree with you that multiculturalism isn’t working but the stupid thing is, we have a low level of immigrants in Sunderland. I don’t remember a single non-white child in my large comprehensive and there aren’t many now in my kids’ school. A sizeable minority are unhappy with their lot in life and they’ve seized on ‘foreigners’ as the reason.

Edit: when I say foreigners I mean non-white, particularly Asian ‘foreigners’ who automatically equal Muslim.