to think these people in Sunderland are not "protesting".

As I said he hasn't experienced any! I'm pretty sure he would have said after 30 years! And my kis are grown up and as I said they got the odd comment but they were articulate enough to shut it down quickly! Bit judgy!

Often children put up with a lot before they actually say anything.

I actually do think exactly the same would have happened under a tory government. Theres a rot in our society, so many people seem to feel like they are not part of a wider community despite the fact that every single one of us through our actions contribute to what kind of society we have. It’s like dropping litter on the floor then complaining the place is covered in rubbish.

The language of debate has deteriorated to shaming, yelling, excluding, attacking on both sides. We struggle to debate articulately and think outrage can replace reason. Just look at the defence of men in women’s boxing, “how dare you say that! You are a terrible person”. We are shit at having civil debate, so who’s really surprised that we are now back to riots.

Your children are experiencing racism at school and you don't think thats a big deal? Your poor kids.
Of course he's experienced racism. You just haven't taken any notice.

He's never really experienced any tbh, my kids got the odd comment at school but as I said we are pretty rural so perhaps we don't get caught up in the issues so much? I really don't know!

@millymollymoomoo do you have information that the attacker was Muslim? Please provide links if you do, because many of us haven't seen any evidence of this.

Even if he were, that wouldn't justify violent riots attacking innocent people around the country.

When did Just Stop Oil set fire to a police station?

If I was Russia or China, I'd be laughing my head off at how easy it's been to whip up trouble. Have a play around on Twitter, shout something about Islam and before you know it, you've got yourself a nice little riot.

Haven't got a brain cell between them.

Have all those who have been rioting been named. I gather that naming people before the judicial process has run its course is in the public interest.

Can you direct me to stories about JSO burning, looting and attacking passers by?

I don't actually agree with all of JSO's tactics, but to compare them to these thugs is ridiculous.

I don't claim to be any smarter than anyone else on here. I am just an average person who is fucking furious about what is happening. And the fact that these thugs are wearing t-shirts with dead children's faces on is sickening. I don't understand why you would not condemn it rather than try to bring JSO into it.

I'm confused, are you saying the rioters are immigrants?

I guess in a sense they are as many of them are not trashing the streets and towns they live in.

PP asked the question about the conservatives.

I do apologise for upsetting your morning. I bid you a good day.

Maybe you should ask your husband about his experience of racism...

@millymollymoomoo where was it mentioned that the suspect had been radicalised by Islam?

And who are the Liberal elites? I saw this phrase a lot during the brexit ref and honestly had no clue who tf people were talking about. Is there some place on the Internet where people just become accustomed to these words and chuck them about? Never heard anyone use this twattery phrase irl.

Jeez. I’m not defending these arsewipes in Sunderland. I hope they all set themselves on fire.

I’m just pointing out that people on here have double-standards.

You’re proving me right. But then you’re so smart you’ll have twigged that, won’t you?

Do we need to ask each poster who says that they are not being listened to how many votes they personally got in the General Election?

The attacks I'm worried about are from these rioters. There's a lot of nonsense talked about the risk of violence de form immigrants. Yes, some are violent. Some of every group are violent.

Fuck off with Tory grift. Who just left office? Kemi Badenoch can do one. What an ego

Whataboutery at its finest. Or most stupid. I can't decide.

do you think if tories were in power this wouldn’t be happening ?

Now that is a question. I'm not sure, but like other people have said, I think Labour's different response to the other protests such as Leeds has fuelled what is happening. The two-tier approach does not work.

This is what Kemi Badenoch said today in the Telegraph:

Former business and trade secretary Kemi Badenoch speaking to the Telegraph warned that 'you can't just ignore the tension.'
'They should be saying that we need a clearer strategy on integration, which we don't have at the moment.
'Instead, we just pretend that everything is fine and it's a few bad apples, which is sometimes the case. But if you want to have a successful multi-racial country, you need to make an effort to do that. You can't just pretend that there are no tensions.'

So although I can't 100% say these riots would not be happening, I think language matters and they could be diffused a lot quicker.

The thugs need to be punished. The ones who rove around the country especially looking for trouble. But also look at who else has attended these protests, look beyond the group of yobs throwing bricks. Look at the larger groups behind.

That is truly shocking.

And very stupid. Because if you want MN onside while you fuck up people’s lives, you need to put on a Just Stop Oil t-shirt.

A lot of the people rioting will have no real idea why they're doing it. Back in 2011 some of the trials of the perpetrators made it clear that loads of them had never even heard of Mark Duggan. They just saw it all kicking off and wanted to be part of it/ have a go at the police.

Same as the disorder in Harehills - how many of those aggressive men actually had a clear position on social services powers to remove children at risk? No, they just didn't want to miss out on an opportunity to cause mayhem.

Hopefully the law comes down hard on them and fingers crossed it starts raining as that will hopefully reduce their enthusiasm.

Agreed - someone must be organising and financing them given they probably can’t get themselves out of bed and to work on a regular basis

Look at this

They are wearing t-shirts with pictures of the children while they riot? That is sick. The poor bereaved families.