to think these people in Sunderland are not "protesting".

As an Asian person, I can guarantee he has, some is in your face, some is subtle but it’s there. Everyone I know who has experienced racism felt it like a punch in the gut. I’m a bit surprised how willing you are to minimise it.

Like I said they got the odd idiotic comment at school many years ago, it was immediately shut down by them,me and the school. I suppose they didn't take alot of notice and it was very rare. It was so long ago that I think perhaps I remember it but not them. I'm really not sure what else to say? They (to my knowledge) haven't since then.

I was being rude to someone who appeared to be wheeling on whataboutery to deflect from how offensive it was for the thugs to wear those t-shirts. Which I make absolutely no apologies for.

Next time maybe make it clear perhaps that you are responding in part based on what another poster on another thread said?

So you haven't actually asked your husband whether or not he's experienced racism? You've just decided to answer for him?

Racism is still racism, even if it's directed at articulate people who can shut it down.

No. But since I’d like them to be chopped up for shark bait, sooner rather than later I hope.

So your kids have, in fact, experienced racism?

it really sounds like you are.

"I condemn the riots" is a complete sentence and needs no caveats.

Any idea when the rioters will stop being unpleasant?

They always have been. I remember them 30 years ago. Then they were the National Front and the BNP, who wanted to repatriate all non whites from Britain. Be scared of them. They are very violent and very racist

Exactly. Just an 'excuse' for mindless stupidity.

Anyone who thinks this violence is about anything other than race just needs to look at the response of the far right to the murder of Daniel Anjorin.

A Black british child killed by a white immgrant and not a peep from the far right but the second they hear about an attack by a non-white offender they're out in force destroying towns.

If you find yourself trying to make excuses for these scumbags or justifying their behaviour then you're every bit as bad as them and I want my country back from the likes of you!

I missed that! Just been looking at one of the SAFC fan sites. People on there are very unhappy that some of the 'protestors' were wearing Sunderland shirts and want the club to hand lifetime bans to anyone involved.

And there's an away match today so they're also discussing possible chants for it. This one made me 😁
'Fk em all
Fk em all
Robinson Farage and all
We’ll never be mastered
By daft far right b & $ t *rds
Sunderland’s the best of them all'

I'm not condoning violent protests.

Just trying to understand the frustrations of people thoughts and feelings on unrestricted immigration by single men of a certain age/religion and being ignored

This is inexcusable racially motivated violent disorder. Rioters have damaged property and attacked the police. They have chanted racist slurs. It needs to be called out for what it is and the individuals involved take responsibility for their actions.
We need to challenge the narrative that immigration is at the root of all problems in. Many of us live and work in integrated and functioning communities and workplaces. I am currently receiving NHS treatment and value the care and contribution made by the team from all backgrounds.
Blaming the situation on the labour government or Keir Starmer is ridiculous they have just got into power.
Misinformation is spread on social media, there are chronic problems with poverty. These are not justifiable reasons to be violent and racist.

No, that’s fair.

But you could have avoided being so unpleasant.

@absquatulize / Jenrick I think will win. I may not be a Tory, but they need to be back in the picture. Farage is not someone who wants to be constructive. He tears things down.

They're not saying JSO set fire to anything. They're saying that many on mumsnet were absolutely delighted when the JSO protesters were jailed, citing the disruption they caused as justification for the lengthy prison sentence.

Those same posters are now conspicuous in their absence in condemning the far right riots we're seeing, with many trying to excuse the behaviour of these racist thugs because 'they're not being listened too'.

So I was supposed to understand all this context when you replied to my post about being horrified by the t-shirt's some of the thugs are wearing?

That's what scares me. Even when this all calms down, they'll still be there.

The problem in part is perhaps that the Conservatives cant decide if they are a moderate centre right party, or trying to join the far right. One of their leadership candidates thought it appropriate to paint over murals at immigration detention centre lest it look too welcoming.

Fair enough, I suppose perhaps he doesn't take any notice? When my kids did I was quick enough to deal with it.

I do think the far right feel enabled by the Reform vote. They can claim to be the opposition etc. That sound be the Conservatives but they aren’t really up to it

Completely agree. Farage has staked his entire career on stirring the pot against whoever's in charge, and he doesn't care if it's Conservatives or Labour. It's all good attention for him and he doesn't care what impact it has on the country.

Its just absolutely impossible that he hasn't experienced any racism. You just haven't realised and he, like my DH, just powers on through.

TBH, I was really just poking fun at a (large) section of MN posters. But you’re right, of course, JSO haven’t set fire to a police station.

My comment was largely based on a poster on a JSO thread who objected to the sentences those protesters got for causing millions of pounds worth of damage and saying that the JSO protests would get violent because the cause is so important.