to think these people in Sunderland are not "protesting".

He's only 8 now so he's still mostly oblivious. Interestingly the only other black child in his class also moved a few months later.
Although his best friend spends a lot of time at our house, he has Sudanese heritage (very tall, very dark) and it's been quite upsetting for all of us to see how differently he is treated vs my mixed race sons. It's unfathomable to me that anyone can hate small children. It's absolutely everywhere and there's no escaping. Little wonder "multi culturalism has failed" when grown adults pick on kids for sport.

Oh god that’s so awful, I’m sorry 😔

I really hope he didn’t notice it and it’s brilliant that you’ve taken the decision to act upon it and move from the situation. You obviously shouldn’t have to but there’s nothing to be gained from sticking it out just to prove a point when your DC is the subject of such despicable and unwarranted behaviour.

Shame on those hateful people.

So why can't they use their voices instead of their weapons to make their point? It would help make sense as to which point they are being ignored on. I'm working class, don't exactly live in the most desirable of areas and am not well off. I feel I've been ignored by the tory party for the last 14 years and some of their policies have made my blood boil. Do we all get to claim victim status and cause riots just because we don't like things? Is that what we've come to? Fucking animals?

Update from Sunderland

There was a brilliant turnout this morning in the city centre, lots of individuals and families came down with sweeping brushes, bin bags etc. However the council have worked tirelessly throughout the night and there was very little to do. With the exception of a few broken windows and two areas of fire damage the area looks immaculate. Well done to the real people of Sunderland.

So why can't they use their voices instead of their weapons to make their point? It would help make sense as to which point they are being ignored on. I'm working class, don't exactly live in the most desirable of areas and am not well off. I feel I've been ignored by the tory party for the last 14 years and some of their policies have made my blood boil. Do we all get to claim victim status and cause riots just because we don't like things? Is that what we've come to? Fucking animals?

Covert racism can be so so subtle its often hard to pin point. It's sometimes more of a feeling than something you can define.
My oldest DS probably thinks he has never experienced racism. But we moved house in part because covert, middle class racism was so prolific. I'm talking him being overlooked in queues at the summer fair, sitting the 3 black/brown kids together for everything, asking if his (extraordinarily ordinary) behavior was "cultural".

I'm not condoning violent protests.

Just trying to understand the frustrations of people thoughts and feelings on unrestricted immigration by single men of a certain age/religion and being ignored

Why?

My post condemns the t-shirts. It just makes a perfectly valid other point as well.

And then went on to make a comparison to Just Stop Oil.

When have Just Stop Oil thrown bricks at the police?

If you didnt mean the post to sound the way it did, perhaaps ask MNHQ to take it down.

I'm not condoning violent protests.

Just trying to understand the frustrations of people thoughts and feelings on unrestricted immigration by single men of a certain age/religion and being ignored

I actually do think exactly the same would have happened under a tory government. Theres a rot in our society, so many people seem to feel like they are not part of a wider community despite the fact that every single one of us through our actions contribute to what kind of society we have. It’s like dropping litter on the floor then complaining the place is covered in rubbish.

The language of debate has deteriorated to shaming, yelling, excluding, attacking on both sides. We struggle to debate articulately and think outrage can replace reason. Just look at the defence of men in women’s boxing, “how dare you say that! You are a terrible person”. We are shit at having civil debate, so who’s really surprised that we are now back to riots.

It wasn’t that difficult to understand.

I said perfectly clearly that I think the t-shirts are shocking. How could anyone sensible think differently?

What does “wheeling on whataboutery” mean?

Like I said they got the odd idiotic comment at school many years ago, it was immediately shut down by them,me and the school. I suppose they didn't take alot of notice and it was very rare. It was so long ago that I think perhaps I remember it but not them. I'm really not sure what else to say? They (to my knowledge) haven't since then.

@WishfWishfulthinking1977 I was on a thread recently about parents of mixed race children. I'm white British, my children are half Indian. I said my children hadn't experienced any overt racism yet and I upset a lot of people. They said of course my children had and I was failing them as a mother for not realising. Some people were so upset with me they had to leave the thread! I felt absolutely awful and started questioning myself.
I'm sure my children (and us as a family) have experienced covert racism. Silent judgement and prejudice that we haven't noticed. However, I believe the experience at school has been good. Firstly, they are not in a minority. 60% of the children at school are from ethnic minorities so my children blend in. They certainly don't stand out for having slightly darker skin. Secondly, we live in a middle class area where people go to great efforts not to appear racist. I know middle class racism exists. Of course it does! But it's not as overt as the racism displayed by many of those at the riots.
As for my Indian husband, he's told me several times he's never experienced racism here. I've actually witnessed him face racism three times but he seemed completely oblivious! I don't know if he was just pretending not to notice or if he really was oblivious.
The first time we were in a jacuzzi. There were men with British Bull Dog tattoos. As soon as we got in, they made a big display of looking him up and down, looking disgusted and am saying "Well, looks like it's time we left". The second time, we were walking down the street, a drunk man saw him and shouted "Eurh! A brown man". The third time, we were driving. A man in a white van was near us and screamed with his face completely distorted with hate "PAKI". All these instances were upsetting but thankfully only three instances in 25 years. Obviously I don't know what else my DH has experienced when I'm not by his side.

@WishfWishfulthinking1977 I was on a thread recently about parents of mixed race children. I'm white British, my children are half Indian. I said my children hadn't experienced any overt racism yet and I upset a lot of people. They said of course my children had and I was failing them as a mother for not realising. Some people were so upset with me they had to leave the thread! I felt absolutely awful and started questioning myself.
I'm sure my children (and us as a family) have experienced covert racism. Silent judgement and prejudice that we haven't noticed. However, I believe the experience at school has been good. Firstly, they are not in a minority. 60% of the children at school are from ethnic minorities so my children blend in. They certainly don't stand out for having slightly darker skin. Secondly, we live in a middle class area where people go to great efforts not to appear racist. I know middle class racism exists. Of course it does! But it's not as overt as the racism displayed by many of those at the riots.
As for my Indian husband, he's told me several times he's never experienced racism here. I've actually witnessed him face racism three times but he seemed completely oblivious! I don't know if he was just pretending not to notice or if he really was oblivious.
The first time we were in a jacuzzi. There were men with British Bull Dog tattoos. As soon as we got in, they made a big display of looking him up and down, looking disgusted and am saying "Well, looks like it's time we left". The second time, we were walking down the street, a drunk man saw him and shouted "Eurh! A brown man". The third time, we were driving. A man in a white van was near us and screamed with his face completely distorted with hate "PAKI". All these instances were upsetting but thankfully only three instances in 25 years. Obviously I don't know what else my DH has experienced when I'm not by his side.

It wasn’t that difficult to understand.

I said perfectly clearly that I think the t-shirts are shocking. How could anyone sensible think differently?

What does “wheeling on whataboutery” mean?

I was being rude to someone who appeared to be wheeling on whataboutery to deflect from how offensive it was for the thugs to wear those t-shirts. Which I make absolutely no apologies for.

Next time maybe make it clear perhaps that you are responding in part based on what another poster on another thread said?

They're not saying JSO set fire to anything. They're saying that many on mumsnet were absolutely delighted when the JSO protesters were jailed, citing the disruption they caused as justification for the lengthy prison sentence.

Those same posters are now conspicuous in their absence in condemning the far right riots we're seeing, with many trying to excuse the behaviour of these racist thugs because 'they're not being listened too'.

Fair enough, I suppose perhaps he doesn't take any notice? When my kids did I was quick enough to deal with it.