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to think these people in Sunderland are not "protesting".

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Misthios · 02/08/2024 22:29

They are not protestors. They are not protesting. They are common or garden thugs and criminals who are causing criminal damage, setting police offices on fire and attacking police officers.

Total scumbags.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnl0lkrxgvxo

Building on fire

Protesters in Sunderland set car on fire and clash with police

Northumbria Police says its officers have been "subjected to serious violence".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cnl0lkrxgvxo

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TiredArse · 03/08/2024 10:44

TattiePants · 03/08/2024 10:38

@TiredArse I can’t remember what the unit that was set fire to actually was, it was empty for years but might have become an extension to the police station. The former police station (the main police station relocated outside the city some years ago) has been ransacked and I assume also fire damaged, you can see the ceiling insulation on the floor in the photo I posted above. Citizens Advice is a few doors up and their shutters were damaged but I think the rest of the building looked ok. Quite a few windows broken on the surrounding buildings like the betting shop and Poundland.

Edited

Google maps shows citizens advice posters in the window a few months ago.

Wonder how destruction and looting helps them get their country back?

PandoraSox · 03/08/2024 10:40

Nanny0gg · 03/08/2024 10:23

Long thread so don't know if this has been posted (from the Times):

The woman accused of being first to post a false Muslim name for the suspect is the managing director of a clothing company. The mother of three in her mid-fifties enjoys walking, is married to an artist and counts an actor among her children. The family live in a £1.5 million farmhouse in the rural north.

She posted on Twitter/X that “Ali-Al-Shakati” was the suspect, he was an “asylum seeker who came to the UK by boat last year” and was on an “MI6 watch list”.

*“If this is true, then all hell is about the break loose”, she wrote. The false information sped around the internet and played a part in prompting the anti-immigration riot in Southport the following evening. An hour after it was published, at 4.49pm on Monday, she deleted the post.

She hasn't been named

Is she being charged?

TattiePants · 03/08/2024 10:38

TiredArse · 03/08/2024 10:15

Apparently they didn’t burn the police station, they burned down citizens advice in error. Is that true?

@TiredArse I can’t remember what the unit that was set fire to actually was, it was empty for years but might have become an extension to the police station. The former police station (the main police station relocated outside the city some years ago) has been ransacked and I assume also fire damaged, you can see the ceiling insulation on the floor in the photo I posted above. Citizens Advice is a few doors up and their shutters were damaged but I think the rest of the building looked ok. Quite a few windows broken on the surrounding buildings like the betting shop and Poundland.

IItisymoi · 03/08/2024 10:37

The odd thing, to me, is that the mothers of these 'little darlings' (that are smashing things up) think they are all such 'good boys'.
It is the tories that have been pushing the 'immigrant' narrative and deliberately allowed the UK Border Force and Home Office to FAIL to process asylum claims in a timely manner, thus DELIBERATELY causing all the conflict. And then of course some Farmers and other users of low skill very low wage people have been happy to exploit 'undocumented' (effectively slave labour) for many decades. Being undocumented also means that local ameneties and provisions fail to keep up with the area's needs (doctors, dentists, decent housing etc), ALL of which is Government responsibility that has been shirked for so long, principally by Tories.

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/08/2024 10:34

YanaJaba

All opinions are valid

No they’re not. Racist opinions, for example, are not.

Choochoo21 · 03/08/2024 10:27

If it wasn’t so scary, their lack of common sense would be funny.

At least no one can ever deny that there is a racism problem in the UK.
(Which I used to read on here a lot).

MrsSkylerWhite · 03/08/2024 10:26

MumblesParty

“. Young angry men who feel ignored”

Ignored how? What is it you think they want that they’re not getting? Apart from only white people in the UK, obviously. A view which it’s quite right to ignore.

Genevieva · 03/08/2024 10:25

That’s what you are meant to think. It is likely a mix. People are struggling at the moment and, for some, that means that when others start protesting they will jump on the bandwagon. It’s contagious behaviour resulting from disaffection. There are probably some organised gang types in there too and also undercover police. We know there were a lot of they last group in the eco rallies about 20 odd years ago because of the legal cases about babies fathered by police officers / counter terrorism people who infiltrated these groups and overstepped the mark. With different branches of the police / government doing the same and not communicating with each other, some were unwittingly reporting on fellow undercover intelligence officers. Crazy stuff.

Littletreefrog · 03/08/2024 10:23

Summerflames · 03/08/2024 10:21

The police station they burned down is marked on Google maps as permanently closed, as I've just read on the news.

Its not been a police station for years. Its citizens advice.

Nanny0gg · 03/08/2024 10:23

Long thread so don't know if this has been posted (from the Times):

The woman accused of being first to post a false Muslim name for the suspect is the managing director of a clothing company. The mother of three in her mid-fifties enjoys walking, is married to an artist and counts an actor among her children. The family live in a £1.5 million farmhouse in the rural north.

She posted on Twitter/X that “Ali-Al-Shakati” was the suspect, he was an “asylum seeker who came to the UK by boat last year” and was on an “MI6 watch list”.

*“If this is true, then all hell is about the break loose”, she wrote. The false information sped around the internet and played a part in prompting the anti-immigration riot in Southport the following evening. An hour after it was published, at 4.49pm on Monday, she deleted the post.

She hasn't been named

Summerflames · 03/08/2024 10:21

Nanny0gg · 03/08/2024 10:19

An 11 year-old has been arrested for arson (the police car I think)

That was in Hartlepool.

Summerflames · 03/08/2024 10:21

TiredArse · 03/08/2024 10:15

Apparently they didn’t burn the police station, they burned down citizens advice in error. Is that true?

The police station they burned down is marked on Google maps as permanently closed, as I've just read on the news.

Nanny0gg · 03/08/2024 10:19

Justrolledmyeyesoutloud · 02/08/2024 22:33

Yep. Absolute thugs. Think l saw some children in the footage too.

An 11 year-old has been arrested for arson (the police car I think)

absquatulize · 03/08/2024 10:18

TiredArse · 03/08/2024 10:15

Apparently they didn’t burn the police station, they burned down citizens advice in error. Is that true?

The photo I have seen of the amazing job that Sunderland Council and the local community have done of cleaning up seems to show that whatever was to the left of the police office was more badly damaged.

GinAndBeerIt · 03/08/2024 10:16

Any of those mindless, racist yobs wearing a t.shirt with the pictures of those murdered little girls are lower than a snakes belly!
They should be bloody horsewhipped!
There's plenty of things that a lot of us are unhappy with, but we don't go out rioting, damaging others property and committing arson.
I can't imagine how frightening it must be for the law abiding citizens of the towns affected by these mobs of hooligans.

TiredArse · 03/08/2024 10:15

Apparently they didn’t burn the police station, they burned down citizens advice in error. Is that true?

YabaJaba · 03/08/2024 10:15

@Shakeoffyourchains

Dont tell me 'shame on you'

All opinions are valid and you've obviously not read all of mine.

Lampzade · 03/08/2024 10:12

Fluufer · 03/08/2024 08:26

Why do people keep saying they are not being "listened to"? We literally just had an election. Too bad if you didn't get the outcome you wanted, but that's life. Protest peacefully, petition, engage your mp. We all have the same voice. They can't start smashing stuff up and scaring people if they don't get exactly their way. No buts about it.

They were supposedly’ not listened to’ which is why we had a referendum and as a result had Brexit which has proved to be an utter and complete failure
We have just had a democratic election in which people had the right to vote. The Labour party won which is this is what the majority of people want
Wouldn’t be surprised if many of those racists thugs marauding in Sunderland failed to vote

Summerflames · 03/08/2024 10:08

@clavinova thanks for the pedantry. The tories enacted what they said they would do.

Shakeoffyourchains · 03/08/2024 10:08

YabaJaba · 03/08/2024 09:11

I'm not condoning violent protests.

Just trying to understand the frustrations of people thoughts and feelings on unrestricted immigration by single men of a certain age/religion and being ignored

This is the type of person attending these riots. This is the type of person you 'want to understand'

Shame on you.

to think these people in Sunderland are not "protesting".
marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 03/08/2024 10:07

"YabaJaba
I'm not condoning violent protests.

Just trying to understand the frustrations of people thoughts and feelings on unrestricted immigration by single men of a certain age/religion and being ignored"

No, you're not.

GCAcademic · 03/08/2024 10:06

Clavinova · 03/08/2024 10:01

GCAcademic
David Cameron said he would take us out of the EU if people voted for that. That was the extent of what the Government promised

June 12, 2016
David Cameron confirmed that he will pull Britain out of the single market if there is a vote to leave the European Union at the upcoming referendum.

The prime minister said: “What the British public will be voting for is to leave the EU and leave the single market.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-bbc-andrew-marr-ill-pull-uk-out-of-the-single-market-after-brexit-eu-referendum-vote-june-23-consequences-news/

Fair enough, and thanks for pointing that out. But my broader point to the pp I was replying to remains. The government did exactly what it said it would. We left the EU as definitively as it was possible to do. So it is not correct to say that the government did not do what it promised it would when it invited us to vote in the Referendum.

Summerflames · 03/08/2024 10:03

Misthios · 03/08/2024 09:57

So why can't they use their voices instead of their weapons to make their point

Because they are too unintelligent, ignorant and inarticulate to express exactly what it is they are "protesting" against? These are people who would struggle to string a coherent sentence together, they just rant about foreigners, or migrants, or muslims, or jews, or tories, or the police...

They do not have a point to make. They just want a rammy.

The fact that they are unintelligent, ignorant and inarticulate is a massive failure of society. But they should still be able to not resort to violence to make a point.

I've seen one guy on fb yesterday saying violence is the only solution. And a woman I know who has 4 young daughters openly agreeing with him saying something like "people sit on there settees and talk about these things but never take any action". Ermm, what does she think is happening right now??

Lampzade · 03/08/2024 10:02

Shakeoffyourchains · 03/08/2024 09:12

Anyone who thinks this violence is about anything other than race just needs to look at the response of the far right to the murder of Daniel Anjorin.

A Black british child killed by a white immgrant and not a peep from the far right but the second they hear about an attack by a non-white offender they're out in force destroying towns.

If you find yourself trying to make excuses for these scumbags or justifying their behaviour then you're every bit as bad as them and I want my country back from the likes of you!

Exactly

Clavinova · 03/08/2024 10:01

GCAcademic
David Cameron said he would take us out of the EU if people voted for that. That was the extent of what the Government promised

June 12, 2016
David Cameron confirmed that he will pull Britain out of the single market if there is a vote to leave the European Union at the upcoming referendum.

The prime minister said: “What the British public will be voting for is to leave the EU and leave the single market.”

https://www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-bbc-andrew-marr-ill-pull-uk-out-of-the-single-market-after-brexit-eu-referendum-vote-june-23-consequences-news/

‘I’ll pull UK out of the single market after Brexit’

Leaving the EU would be like planting ‘a bomb’ under the British economy, the prime minister warns.

https://www.politico.eu/article/david-cameron-bbc-andrew-marr-ill-pull-uk-out-of-the-single-market-after-brexit-eu-referendum-vote-june-23-consequences-news

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