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Heatethelastwaffle · 02/08/2024 20:21

I’m British but live abroad.
We are struggling a lot financially at the moment, life is hard, although the sun shines.
Where we are, if you fall into a hole, you’re pretty much screwed. Benefits exist, but you have to be very much on the breadline and even then it’s not enough to survive. There is a national health service, but it’s not great, so I’m having to pay out of my own money for private consultations. I have a chronic illness but no benefits whatsoever exist, my Dd is potentially suffering from Pans/pandas, they haven’t heard of it where we are, I’ve been to three separate Drs who had no idea what I’m talking about, There’s no help with rent, with housing, with bills and so on if you fall on hard times.

I want to go home, it may be depressing in some ways in England but you’re secure.

OP posts:
runrabbitruns · 03/08/2024 09:36

Lou7171 · 03/08/2024 09:28

I think you may be mixing up absolute poverty with relative poverty?

That is my point. No one capable of critical thinking can actually claim a third of U.K. children are living in poverty that would be recognisable to anyone who had ever experienced poverty.

It undermines the definition of poverty to claim that a third are experiencing it.

Genevieva · 03/08/2024 09:31

I’m going to ignore all the negative chat about coming home to get free treatment from a system you haven’t paid into. The truth is that the biggest recipients are always the ones who contribute least. That’s the way the system works. Of course you can come home if you want to, whatever the reason.

But it isn’t all rays of sunshine here either. We have the highest taxes in our peacetime history, trumped only by the very end of WW2. Mortgage rates are through the roof. We have the highest utility bills in Europe. The NHS is inherently dysfunctional and hanging on by a threat. I believe my area is typical in having an 18 month waiting list for most departments, with the exception of cancer services for things like breast lumps that are subject to special 3 week pathways. There are more potholes in the roads than ever before…

TartanJambo · 03/08/2024 09:30

XelaM · 03/08/2024 07:45

I grew up in Germany and my parents live there, so for me moving back to Germany would be moving near family and friends. I can see how it may be different for you. Do you speak German? I think it's difficult to fit in if you don't. In terms of standard of living, medical care and education Germany is far superior though.

Ah ok, I understand with your family being here, that's makes a huge difference. If I had my family here, I wouldn't leave either as I'm well aware the standard of living is so much better.

Yes, I speak fluent German. Germans are lovely to chat to at baby groups, nursery pick ups, work. But it's just incredibly difficult breaking down that wall to become a proper friend. It's almost like they have their own lives and friends and don't need any more.

Lou7171 · 03/08/2024 09:28

runrabbitruns · 03/08/2024 09:21

Absolute poverty in England is very different to poverty in other countries.

People living here have no idea how much we are protected against actual poverty. It’s impossible to realise this unless you’ve lived elsewhere though.

I think you may be mixing up absolute poverty with relative poverty?

Greytulips · 03/08/2024 09:25

Then make a decision to come home! Life’s too short.

Ignore the negatives. Can you move in with family? Leave DH to sort the house? You can get your DD settled in school and find a job.

Miley1967 · 03/08/2024 09:24

Heatethelastwaffle · 03/08/2024 09:19

@iamtheblcksheep Such horrible comments.
I am British, born in England, school, college, university there. Worked there part time since I was 15, worked full time for years and years and contributed to the system, same for my Dh, both are families still live there.
Live In a European country and have also both always worked and contributed to the system. Now having a health problem myself, my Dd being in a horrendous situation where no one has knowledge of her condition at all, no support whatsoever-state or family and huge cost of living. I’m paying in desperation for private appointments for my Dd in the hope of getting her some help, whilst also being ill myself and having to push myself in a job I will likely lose, due to the amount of time I have to take off for illness or to look after Dd. Schools here have barejy any knowledge of any special needs or issues with children and will offer no support id imagine when I attempt to take Dd back to school in September, she likely will be too anxious to go and I will struggle with that, with no support. Meanwhile Dh working his arse off in a job that pays much lower than it would in the U.K., even though our cost of living is on par or higher and doesn’t receive proper holiday or sick or time off for bereavement, which he’s just experienced in his family, but had to go back to work after two days to grieve and just ‘Get on with it’
I’m mid 40’s now and we moved abroad when younger and travelled and worked to experience life, now we have no life.
Don’t worry I don’t expect to ‘Just walk into the NHS and take other peoples spaces who’ve paid into the system’ (as have I for 30 years, divided between U.K. and a European country) I will likely pay for private help for my Dd from the sale of our house, the point is there is support and knowledge there about her condition, I can get HELP, there is family support there, we will both work of course but should something go wrong, someone dies, we fall ill, there is help and support there
You know nothing about my life or family and how hard we have worked and what we are going through.

I want to come back to my home now.

We returned to the Uk very easily after four and a half years abroad but it was 20 years ago that we returned. We were able to access NHS treatment straight away. We both found jobs really quickly on returning but were able to claim tax credits because we had young kids , and child benefit straight away. I think now you have to sit the habitual residency test to show you are planning to be habitually resident but as you said you aren't looking to claim benefits. If you did need to look at disability benefits for either you or your daughter ( sorry no idea what Pans/ Panda is ) then certainly for adult disability benefits even for Uk citizens you have to have been resident in the country for roughly two out of the past three years. Sorry I've no idea if it's the same for DLA for children.
My own personal thoughts are that the Uk is on a bit of a downward slide currently but that may still be better than where you are living. Good luck, I hope you manage to make it work.

inamarina · 03/08/2024 09:24

iamtheblcksheep · 03/08/2024 08:50

My universal credit? Good one. I don’t have a job. I do run several companies though if that’s good enough for you to allow me to have my own opinion. I do after all pay rather a lot of income and corporation tax.

You should not be allowed to use out NHS if you have not paid into our system. This is the OPs clear intention. I don’t give a toss. My universal credit you think I’m getting, also known as multiple income streams from my businesses allows me private health insurance, education…Anything I want I can skip the queue. For many this is unfortunately not the case. You might want to think before you insult someone again.

Are you also sick of people who never left the UK, but aren’t net contributors?
Or just of those who dared to do something differently and go abroad for a while?
That argument “they haven’t paid into our system” is an odd one.
Did UK citizens who never left have to pay into the system for a while before being allowed to use it? Someone moving from abroad wasn’t paying into the system, but they also weren’t using any services.
OP doesn’t seem to be planning to come to the UK for free healthcare only and then bugger off again.
Surely if she and her family stay here they will be paying into the system too?
Do you object to any kind of immigration? Do you realise that when skilled immigrants move here, they start using services they hadn’t paid for but they also bring skills UK hadn’t paid for because those people were trained in their home countries?

SpaceRaiders · 03/08/2024 09:24

iamtheblcksheep · 03/08/2024 09:00

No it isn’t a horrible thing to say. The OP has clearly fallen on hard times. She will be returning to take from the NHS that is falling apart. We are taking money from our pensioners because labour are morally bankrupt. Parents who have worked their backsides off are being taxed just because they have chosen to give their child a better chance education wise. The middle are being squeezed to the point of no return.

It is simply not acceptable that someone should be able to swan back to the UK when she moved away for greener grass. There will be children with the same condition as the OPs child that will have to wait in a queue because of this woman’s life choices. People who have paid towards the services she will be getting for free.

She needs to stay where she is and figure it out. There are always jobs. If you are struggling you get a second, third job until you make it work.

The vitriol in your posts is somewhat alarming, are you actually ok? Your issue is with how badly this country has been run into the ground and respectfully that has nothing to do with op.

runrabbitruns · 03/08/2024 09:24

Agree with previous posters regarding jobs. Apart from certain areas , they absolutely do exist but many English people will not do minimum wage jobs.

iamtheblcksheep · 03/08/2024 09:22

Crystallizedring · 03/08/2024 09:15

Do you also think England has plentiful jobs? If so please do tell me where. My 18;year old hasn't been able to get a job in the last year.

I could make a few phone calls on Monday and he’d have a job by lunchtime. There are thousands of jobs. If he’s struggling for work there are factories and farms all screaming out for workers. When I was setting up businesses and needed extra cash, I worked days in my own businesses and evenings in factories. I floated in and out of factories and could get a job the same day when I needed it. This wasn’t too many years ago.

There are jobs if you are willing to do anything.

runrabbitruns · 03/08/2024 09:21

Snacksgalore · 02/08/2024 20:29

Then come home.

But a third of kids in the UK live in absolute policy, at my GP surgery the wait is 6 weeks to see a GP and last year 268 people died every week due to delays in A and E.

Absolute poverty in England is very different to poverty in other countries.

People living here have no idea how much we are protected against actual poverty. It’s impossible to realise this unless you’ve lived elsewhere though.

Heatethelastwaffle · 03/08/2024 09:20

Both *Our families still living there

OP posts:
Baital · 03/08/2024 09:20

As I posted before, I am someone who lived overseas for more than a decade.

I worked and paid taxes before I went, I have worked and paid taxes since I returned.

Before I left - no children - I was a net contributor. Since returning - one child - probably a net beneficiary. DD is nearly finished in education and will then get a job and pay taxes, while the UK was 'spared' the first decade of her life in medical and educational costs.

Miley1967 · 03/08/2024 09:19

Crystallizedring · 03/08/2024 09:15

Do you also think England has plentiful jobs? If so please do tell me where. My 18;year old hasn't been able to get a job in the last year.

Neither has my 21 year old. Job situation is currently dire in some areas.

Heatethelastwaffle · 03/08/2024 09:19

@iamtheblcksheep Such horrible comments.
I am British, born in England, school, college, university there. Worked there part time since I was 15, worked full time for years and years and contributed to the system, same for my Dh, both are families still live there.
Live In a European country and have also both always worked and contributed to the system. Now having a health problem myself, my Dd being in a horrendous situation where no one has knowledge of her condition at all, no support whatsoever-state or family and huge cost of living. I’m paying in desperation for private appointments for my Dd in the hope of getting her some help, whilst also being ill myself and having to push myself in a job I will likely lose, due to the amount of time I have to take off for illness or to look after Dd. Schools here have barejy any knowledge of any special needs or issues with children and will offer no support id imagine when I attempt to take Dd back to school in September, she likely will be too anxious to go and I will struggle with that, with no support. Meanwhile Dh working his arse off in a job that pays much lower than it would in the U.K., even though our cost of living is on par or higher and doesn’t receive proper holiday or sick or time off for bereavement, which he’s just experienced in his family, but had to go back to work after two days to grieve and just ‘Get on with it’
I’m mid 40’s now and we moved abroad when younger and travelled and worked to experience life, now we have no life.
Don’t worry I don’t expect to ‘Just walk into the NHS and take other peoples spaces who’ve paid into the system’ (as have I for 30 years, divided between U.K. and a European country) I will likely pay for private help for my Dd from the sale of our house, the point is there is support and knowledge there about her condition, I can get HELP, there is family support there, we will both work of course but should something go wrong, someone dies, we fall ill, there is help and support there
You know nothing about my life or family and how hard we have worked and what we are going through.

I want to come back to my home now.

OP posts:
Crystallizedring · 03/08/2024 09:15

iamtheblcksheep · 03/08/2024 09:00

No it isn’t a horrible thing to say. The OP has clearly fallen on hard times. She will be returning to take from the NHS that is falling apart. We are taking money from our pensioners because labour are morally bankrupt. Parents who have worked their backsides off are being taxed just because they have chosen to give their child a better chance education wise. The middle are being squeezed to the point of no return.

It is simply not acceptable that someone should be able to swan back to the UK when she moved away for greener grass. There will be children with the same condition as the OPs child that will have to wait in a queue because of this woman’s life choices. People who have paid towards the services she will be getting for free.

She needs to stay where she is and figure it out. There are always jobs. If you are struggling you get a second, third job until you make it work.

Do you also think England has plentiful jobs? If so please do tell me where. My 18;year old hasn't been able to get a job in the last year.

Readingallthetime · 03/08/2024 09:04

iamtheblcksheep · 03/08/2024 09:00

No it isn’t a horrible thing to say. The OP has clearly fallen on hard times. She will be returning to take from the NHS that is falling apart. We are taking money from our pensioners because labour are morally bankrupt. Parents who have worked their backsides off are being taxed just because they have chosen to give their child a better chance education wise. The middle are being squeezed to the point of no return.

It is simply not acceptable that someone should be able to swan back to the UK when she moved away for greener grass. There will be children with the same condition as the OPs child that will have to wait in a queue because of this woman’s life choices. People who have paid towards the services she will be getting for free.

She needs to stay where she is and figure it out. There are always jobs. If you are struggling you get a second, third job until you make it work.

You're really taking all this out on the wrong person. You're tying yourself up in knots here.

Hummingbird75 · 03/08/2024 09:03

iamtheblcksheep · 03/08/2024 09:00

No it isn’t a horrible thing to say. The OP has clearly fallen on hard times. She will be returning to take from the NHS that is falling apart. We are taking money from our pensioners because labour are morally bankrupt. Parents who have worked their backsides off are being taxed just because they have chosen to give their child a better chance education wise. The middle are being squeezed to the point of no return.

It is simply not acceptable that someone should be able to swan back to the UK when she moved away for greener grass. There will be children with the same condition as the OPs child that will have to wait in a queue because of this woman’s life choices. People who have paid towards the services she will be getting for free.

She needs to stay where she is and figure it out. There are always jobs. If you are struggling you get a second, third job until you make it work.

Actually there are not always plentiful jobs at all, so she may not be able to get 3 jobs to pay her medical expenses and living costs, have you seen the unemployment stats in some parts of southern Europe?

It is this kind of comment that really makes me realise people in the UK have no idea about the realities of living in other countries, even supposedly first world ones! Life overseas scratching around without state support is truly frightening especially if you are old, disabled or have children.

Op, come home, get a well paid job as soon as you can here, things will only get worse as you get older in my experience.

iamtheblcksheep · 03/08/2024 09:00

SpaceRaiders · 03/08/2024 07:45

What a horrible thing to say to someone looking for a little reassurance!

No it isn’t a horrible thing to say. The OP has clearly fallen on hard times. She will be returning to take from the NHS that is falling apart. We are taking money from our pensioners because labour are morally bankrupt. Parents who have worked their backsides off are being taxed just because they have chosen to give their child a better chance education wise. The middle are being squeezed to the point of no return.

It is simply not acceptable that someone should be able to swan back to the UK when she moved away for greener grass. There will be children with the same condition as the OPs child that will have to wait in a queue because of this woman’s life choices. People who have paid towards the services she will be getting for free.

She needs to stay where she is and figure it out. There are always jobs. If you are struggling you get a second, third job until you make it work.

Readingallthetime · 03/08/2024 08:59

iamtheblcksheep · 03/08/2024 08:50

My universal credit? Good one. I don’t have a job. I do run several companies though if that’s good enough for you to allow me to have my own opinion. I do after all pay rather a lot of income and corporation tax.

You should not be allowed to use out NHS if you have not paid into our system. This is the OPs clear intention. I don’t give a toss. My universal credit you think I’m getting, also known as multiple income streams from my businesses allows me private health insurance, education…Anything I want I can skip the queue. For many this is unfortunately not the case. You might want to think before you insult someone again.

So you run several companies, you use private healthcare, you are in a good position in life, and yet you are getting this angry about someone who is clearly unhappy and reaching out for help? You're acting like a child. A child who reads the daily mail.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 03/08/2024 08:57

SpaceRaiders · 02/08/2024 21:32

I know years back quite a number of countries wouldn’t allow dual citizenship therefore expats would need to renounce their British citizenship before being granted citizenship there. It’s not straightforward coming back and you have to go through a fairly long expensive process to regain citizenship. My brother is going through this atm.

Op there’s no shame in returning if things haven’t worked out as well as you’d have hoped. But in all honesty life here isn’t any better. Your children will likely have better long term prospects abroad than here.

Edited

In theory the US doesn’t allow it, or certainly didn’t, but my sister who took out US citizenship some 20 years ago (it meant less tax to pay after her dh died) still has her British passport and was even told by the official at the citizenship ceremony that they knew that many people certainly didn’t renounce their former citizenship.

Baital · 03/08/2024 08:57

Destiny123 · 03/08/2024 08:08

I dont know the great details but my nans mate moved to oz for 20ish years. Returned home and wasn't entitled to the nhs for many years, had to pay private for everything

There is a residency requirement to claim benefits.

If you are a UK citizen you can use the NHS from day 1 if you return permanently

EI12 · 03/08/2024 08:50

Gillypie23 · 02/08/2024 21:25

You've not lived in the UK for years . Not paid into the system. You want to come back to claim benefits. Cheek of it.

Sorry. My former Bulgarian sister-in-law has not paid a penny into the system. She then imported her sister and parents to the UK, where they immediately applied and got NHS treatment. All with proud 'Brits are allowed to seek treatment in Bulgaria, we have a treaty' nonsense spouted. And you are questioning the right of a native to come back? Beyond strange.

iamtheblcksheep · 03/08/2024 08:50

Frogpole · 03/08/2024 03:47

Tell me, where are you finding all of these ex-pats who are about to return to the United Kingdom? I mean there must be an absolute shitload of them for you to be this angry about it, right? You're clearly distressed about the tens of thousands of British citizens returning to Great Britain to steal your job universal credit, but how come you're the only person in the Kingdom who's aware of this travesty?

My universal credit? Good one. I don’t have a job. I do run several companies though if that’s good enough for you to allow me to have my own opinion. I do after all pay rather a lot of income and corporation tax.

You should not be allowed to use out NHS if you have not paid into our system. This is the OPs clear intention. I don’t give a toss. My universal credit you think I’m getting, also known as multiple income streams from my businesses allows me private health insurance, education…Anything I want I can skip the queue. For many this is unfortunately not the case. You might want to think before you insult someone again.

inamarina · 03/08/2024 08:48

XelaM · 03/08/2024 05:44

I moved to the UK from Germany and I think Germany is a much nicer and safer (in terms of financial security) place to live. I'm only staying here until my daughter finishes her GCSEs. Then I'm moving (whether back to Germany or somewhere sunny remains to be seen).

The UK is miserable. The weather is awful, everything is insanely expensive, medical care leaves a lot to be desired, taxes are huge, the education system is terrible. There are much nicer places out there.

Well, that’s your experience, but I do think you’re generalising a bit.
I’ve lived in Germany before. The weather where I am in the UK is much better than where I was in Germany.
Taxes are similar in both places, at least in our case.
Prices have gone up in Germany in the last couple of years, as they have in many places. Some things (like alcohol) are more expensive in the UK, both not the general food shop in my experience.
What I did find better though was healthcare provision and how affordable childcare was.

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