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Now that she's the official nominee, is anyone else excited about Kamala Harris's chances?

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twodowntwotogo · 02/08/2024 18:39

Just to get it out of the way - I am completely against Trump being elected President. I'm pretty excited to see Kamala being officially nominated, and looking forward to her fighting a strong campaign - albeit slightly nervously. Anyone else?

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WildLemur · 02/08/2024 21:28

YankSplaining · 02/08/2024 21:21

And Obama said you could keep your doctor if you liked your doctor. He wasn’t able to do that, either. You’re confusing what politicians say with what they’re actually able to do. (My favorite “stupid politician claim” was from John Edwards, VP candidate in 2004. “When John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve are going to walk, get up out of that wheelchair and walk again.” Gee, if only we’d elected Kerry! 🙄)

Not a fan of Trump, but if he were able to install himself as some kind of dictator-for-life, he would have done it already. It’s not within his power.

We only avoided Trump stealing the last election because Pence was unwilling to be complicit.

Trump came within a whisker of overthrowing democracy last time, I don't know why people have a hard time believing he won't try again, or that it's impossible he will succeed.

FayeGreener · 02/08/2024 21:27

I must say I think the “you can’t vote for Trump! He’ll declare himself LIFELONG DICTATOR!” is the wrong tack for the Dems to take. It’s hyperbolic and silly and it looks like they’re crying wolf. What they need desperately is a candidate who is appealing.

is Harris that candidate? I have serious doubts.

WildLemur · 02/08/2024 21:26

I find it batshit that people think Harris is thick.

There are plenty of Attorney Generals who I don't much care for, but nobody who ascends to that office (particularly in the most populous state in the US) ascends to that office.

The "word salads" too...almost every politician has those moments. If you listen to Harris speak, more than 99% of what she says is perfectly articulate. Dredging old videos for pretty trivial slips and pretending they are representative of her in general is a massive stretch (particularly when a single Trump speech will contain more word salads than Harris has amassed in her whole career).

I'm happy to accept she is likely not the strongest candidate the Dems could put forward but she is magnitudes better than Trump in every single way.

Were it not for the US's unfit and politicized court system, Trump would be rotting in prison by now.

Cherrysoup · 02/08/2024 21:25

I think we should take any election manifesto with a huge pinch of salt. So many promises are made then defaulted on by the person in charge. I’m sure we could all cite a ton of manifesto promises that never came to fruition over the years. I especially like the claim from John Edwards! 😯

halava · 02/08/2024 21:24

The scary thing is that DT is not stupid, but he acts stupid and mad as a brush to match himself to his electorate. Sad but true.

YankSplaining · 02/08/2024 21:21

MacDonaldandHobNobs · 02/08/2024 21:12

Those were literally his words

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-tells-christians-they-wont-have-vote-after-this-election-2024-07-27/

Are you saying Donald wasn't speaking the truth.....shocker.

And Obama said you could keep your doctor if you liked your doctor. He wasn’t able to do that, either. You’re confusing what politicians say with what they’re actually able to do. (My favorite “stupid politician claim” was from John Edwards, VP candidate in 2004. “When John Kerry is president, people like Christopher Reeve are going to walk, get up out of that wheelchair and walk again.” Gee, if only we’d elected Kerry! 🙄)

Not a fan of Trump, but if he were able to install himself as some kind of dictator-for-life, he would have done it already. It’s not within his power.

Cherrysoup · 02/08/2024 21:20

FayeGreener · 02/08/2024 21:17

But people who are against Trump contradict themselves don’t they? On the one hand they say “everything Trump says is a lie” and on the other hand they say “oh my god! He said he’s going to be a dictator for life!”

You can’t believe a) and still be scared of the prospect of b).

Dichotomy, indeed. Having said that, I wouldn’t be completely amazed were he to try something like b.

IndigoIsMyFavouriteColour · 02/08/2024 21:19

WildLemur · 02/08/2024 19:59

Yes, that's the biggest worry - that the MAGA cultists intalled as election officials will falsely claim irregularities and Mike Johnson will use it to overturn the election and install Trump. The Trumpian Project 2025 freakshow have been winking that everything is in motion, and that they're prepared to use violence if need be.

A big Kamala win would, you would hope, make it harder to steal, but there is a chance the the US dies as a democracy later this year.

The polls give me hope but, as you say, a Kamala win doesn't mean Trump won't be president again.

America has never been a democracy, they have a constitution. It still amazes me how few people seem to understand that.

FayeGreener · 02/08/2024 21:17

Cherrysoup · 02/08/2024 21:15

What he says there is terrifying. He’ll have ‘fixed it so good they won’t need to vote’? Is he going to change the law to ensure he stays on à la Venezuela, regardless of votes/outcome? 😱

But people who are against Trump contradict themselves don’t they? On the one hand they say “everything Trump says is a lie” and on the other hand they say “oh my god! He said he’s going to be a dictator for life!”

You can’t believe a) and still be scared of the prospect of b).

Molly70 · 02/08/2024 21:16

Cherrysoup · 02/08/2024 21:15

What he says there is terrifying. He’ll have ‘fixed it so good they won’t need to vote’? Is he going to change the law to ensure he stays on à la Venezuela, regardless of votes/outcome? 😱

He will be impeached if he does that (by the House and Senate)

MacDonaldandHobNobs · 02/08/2024 21:16

Anyhoo stepping away now.

See you at the Crazy Cat Lady celebration party in November. It's going to be epic 😎

Cherrysoup · 02/08/2024 21:15

MacDonaldandHobNobs · 02/08/2024 21:12

Those were literally his words

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-tells-christians-they-wont-have-vote-after-this-election-2024-07-27/

Are you saying Donald wasn't speaking the truth.....shocker.

What he says there is terrifying. He’ll have ‘fixed it so good they won’t need to vote’? Is he going to change the law to ensure he stays on à la Venezuela, regardless of votes/outcome? 😱

FayeGreener · 02/08/2024 21:15

Doesn’t Kamala owe her early success to the er…”sponsorship” of much older political bigwig Willie Brown?

(Im aware this is a sexist trope. Doesn’t mean it’s not true in her case).

bridgetreilly · 02/08/2024 21:14

I think she might get the Obama-style grass roots support.

Molly70 · 02/08/2024 21:13

hellesbells · 02/08/2024 21:06

No it isn't where are your sources for that

Today’s job figures and unemployment rate (always released on the first Friday of the month)

BIossomtoes · 02/08/2024 21:13

Justcallmebebes · 02/08/2024 20:11

It's not dislike, but she's not very bright, has failed spectacularly as VP in the 2 remits she was given and is in no way suited to being President

This is ridiculous. Look at her record of achievement, then consider for a moment that a successful woman has to be twice as good as a man. The same goes for a person of colour. She’s amazing.

KimberleyClark · 02/08/2024 21:13

BlackForestCake · 02/08/2024 18:45

No –– she's a genocidal monster, no better than Trump.

Please explain.

3CustardCreams · 02/08/2024 21:12

MacDonaldandHobNobs · 02/08/2024 21:05

As an aside, does anyone else think J.D Vance is really creepy? I mean have you really listened to some of the things he says.

I wonder what his wife really thinks about Trump calling immigrants scum and all the vile rhetoric around immigration from the MAGA camp. I believe she's second generation. But then so it's Alina Habba and let's face it, Melania is first generation, so the xenophobia really makes no sense at all.

Yea JD Vance’s comments on “childless crazy cat lady’s” having no stake in the future was so offensive. He will become a problem for Trump. Not nice

FayeGreener · 02/08/2024 21:12

Isn’t the problem a real lack of impressive candidates? Neither Trump nor Harris are terribly awe-inspiring are they? A Cheeto-coloured madman who can’t stop boasting about himself and a clearly out of her depth weird cackling woman.

Cherrysoup · 02/08/2024 21:12

Hatfullofwillow · 02/08/2024 19:52

Not excited, it'll be close. Even if the Democrats win, there are 70 election officials in states that are likely to be close, who believe the election in 2020 was stolen from Trump. There's a very real possibility that they will simply refuse to certify results.

Wouldn’t be amazed, plus he’ll ask for re-counts again, although hopefully he learned his lesson last time!

I’m genuinely scared in case Trump wins again, I think he’s horrifying, not bright, really clueless (c’mon, the man drew a line of a fake weather front with a sharpie! 🤣) Kamala at least is for women’s rights and I think she will gain a lot of votes from people who don’t believe several old men should decide if a woman can have autonomy over her own body.

MacDonaldandHobNobs · 02/08/2024 21:12

YankSplaining · 02/08/2024 21:09

I don’t believe that, and you know why? Because both Democrats and Republicans have said something similar about nearly every president during my adult life.

Most of the 2000s: “George W. Bush is going to turn the US into a Christofacist theocracy!” Didn’t happen.

2011: “Barack Obama is a going to manufacture a national crisis and use it as an excuse to cancel elections!” Didn’t happen.

2016-2020: “Donald Trump is going to make himself a dictator and eliminate democracy!” Didn’t happen.

The only reason we didn’t get a similar conspiracy theory about Biden is that no one believed he was mentally able to pull it off.

24 years of crying wolf, and I’m over it.

Those were literally his words

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-tells-christians-they-wont-have-vote-after-this-election-2024-07-27/

Are you saying Donald wasn't speaking the truth.....shocker.

CaveMum · 02/08/2024 21:12

FayeGreener · 02/08/2024 21:03

Wouldn’t it make sense to let Trump just win? He can only serve one more term then you’re rid of him! It’s only another four years.

If he loses this election he’s toast anyway - he’ll be older than Biden is now in 2028.

Only 3 things motivate Trump to run for the Presidency - money, attention and fear of going to jail. If someone came along tomorrow, offered him a pile of money and a promise he’ll never go to jail then he’d drop out in a heartbeat.

JustTalkToThem · 02/08/2024 21:12

FayeGreener · 02/08/2024 21:06

a lot of brown people didn’t survive the Obama presidency. Mainly because he bombed the shit out of them.

Don't remember the Donald doing that.

Well then you're not remembering correctly

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/09/donald-trump-is-dropping-bombs-at-unprecedented-levels/

Donald Trump Is Dropping Bombs at Unprecedented Levels

The candidate who once warned America about Hillary Clinton's hawkishness is turning into a war machine.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/09/donald-trump-is-dropping-bombs-at-unprecedented-levels

CaveMum · 02/08/2024 21:09

Highly recommended listening to TRIP US, they’re upfront and talk to both Democrats and Republicans and give honest assessments on how things are going for both candidates.

Josh Shapiro seems to be the favoured VP candidate at the moment. Mark Kelly was highly thought of but doesn’t quite seem to have the X factor. Pete Buttigieg won’t happen - as Katy says, the US, sadly, is not ready for a woman AND a gay man on the same ticket.

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-rest-is-politics-us/id1743030473?i=1000664094286

The Rest Is Politics: US: Could Donald Trump drop out? on Apple Podcasts

‎The Rest Is Politics: US: Could Donald Trump drop out? on Apple Podcasts

‎Show The Rest Is Politics: US, Ep Could Donald Trump drop out? - 1 Aug 2024

https://podcasts.apple.com/gb/podcast/the-rest-is-politics-us/id1743030473?i=1000664094286

MacDonaldandHobNobs · 02/08/2024 21:09

newtomoney · 02/08/2024 21:07

Mac*DonaldandHobNobs
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No the world did not survive an orange presidency... are you as insane as him ?

Don't lay that madness at my door! I didn't say that😂

Think that came from Faye

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