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Now that she's the official nominee, is anyone else excited about Kamala Harris's chances?

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twodowntwotogo · 02/08/2024 18:39

Just to get it out of the way - I am completely against Trump being elected President. I'm pretty excited to see Kamala being officially nominated, and looking forward to her fighting a strong campaign - albeit slightly nervously. Anyone else?

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MacDonaldandHobNobs · 02/08/2024 21:57

3CustardCreams · 02/08/2024 21:57

No I’m just saying it’s incorrect to say the riot directly caused 9 deaths.. because it isn’t true.

I said attributed.

ShinyNewMe · 02/08/2024 21:57

a few weeks ago the entire media were loudly despairing the fact that she was a massive disappointment with even less chance of winning than Biden, and speculating hopefully who might potentially be flown in to replace the pair of them. Now all of a sudden she's been an exemplary VP and will certainly be an amazing president and she's definitely everyone's first choice, and definitely would've been even if they'd had a full contest. I don't personally enjoy feeling quite so overtly manipulated

I think you are totally wrong. I think she has injected some dynamite and she is a breath of fresh air that the US NEEDS. She has background and experience.
She has folks behind her to advise.

Trump is just a sad old sack. Who wouldn't vote for her over hin?

halava · 02/08/2024 21:57

There seems to be some desperation in the Trump camp now. Lots of mud will be slung in the coming days, in addition to what has already been thrown around.

3CustardCreams · 02/08/2024 21:57

MacDonaldandHobNobs · 02/08/2024 21:52

Seriously, that is your take away from a former president inciting a riot!

They were lucky more people didn't die that day.

No I’m just saying it’s incorrect to say the riot directly caused 9 deaths.. because it isn’t true.

MacDonaldandHobNobs · 02/08/2024 21:56

FayeGreener · 02/08/2024 21:49

I’ve just looked this up and it says Sicknick died of a stroke. It’s not like he was shot or anything.

Most of the other deaths appear to be overweight rioting Trump supporters having heart attacks!

Yeah, being beaten by a mob. Its not like he was shot or anything 🙄 Tell that to his family. What a disgusting attitude.

I can't wait for the DoJ to get the case against Trump into court so all the Jan 6 evidence is released into the public domain. That will be an eye opener.

Aquamarine1029 · 02/08/2024 21:54

nietzscheanvibe · 02/08/2024 21:38

And Trump speaks more sense? 🤔

The question wasn't about Trump, was it? Enough with the "but what about Trump?!" comeback any time another candidate or potential candidate is being discussed. It is so fucking tedious. The question was about Harris, as was my answer.

MacDonaldandHobNobs · 02/08/2024 21:52

3CustardCreams · 02/08/2024 21:47

I don’t think you can prove that all deaths were caused by the riots. For example some cause of deaths being myocardial infarction (heart attack). They were likely unrelated. Stress is not a big risk factor for MI.

Seriously, that is your take away from a former president inciting a riot!

They were lucky more people didn't die that day.

FayeGreener · 02/08/2024 21:51

BIossomtoes · 02/08/2024 21:45

We’ve ended up with a PM with more intelligence, integrity and gravitas in his little finger than the whole Tory party put together. We’re bloody lucky to have him, just as the US would be to have Harris.

He’s been in power less than a month and the bloody country is engulfed in riots! There are police cars and double decker buses being set alight!

ShinyNewMe · 02/08/2024 21:50

I've yet to see anyone on Mumsnet explain why she's a monster or why she's so terrible

Well of course she's not. That's just what Magadonians want you to think. So they keep on saying it. Trump's fanbase is relatively small, just the uneducated rednecks. So she'll win.No doubts at all.

FayeGreener · 02/08/2024 21:49

MacDonaldandHobNobs · 02/08/2024 21:43

Police Officer Brian Sicknick
After serving in the Air National Guard and dreaming of becoming a police officer, Brian D. Sicknick joined the Capitol Police force in 2008. He died the day after he was overpowered and beaten by rioters from the mob at the Capitol
.

9 deaths in total have been attributed to that day.

What short memories people have. Trump is the only president in US history who has incited a mob to attack democratically elected colleagues for simply doing their jobs.

I’ve just looked this up and it says Sicknick died of a stroke. It’s not like he was shot or anything.

Most of the other deaths appear to be overweight rioting Trump supporters having heart attacks!

qwerty14 · 02/08/2024 21:48

I found this conversation about her interesting, the debate with Tulsi Gabard and her first disasterous campaign, they suggest she's not particularly principled but changes her policies a lot and is a bit under prepared sometimes.
Might be better than Trump though.

YankSplaining · 02/08/2024 21:47

WildLemur · 02/08/2024 21:42

At the absolute minimum it would have thrown the country into a constitutional crisis.

And I do not have your faith that the current Supreme Court would have ruled against Trump.

When the US Supreme Court makes a ruling, it’s for a reason that can be found in existing US law. People can argue about interpretations of laws, but SCOTUS doesn’t just pull complete nonsense out of their asses. They have labored-over judicial opinions with citations and legal history and past case law.

What legal history and past case law do you think they would use to rule in favor of the US being ruled by a dictator-for-life?

3CustardCreams · 02/08/2024 21:47

MacDonaldandHobNobs · 02/08/2024 21:43

Police Officer Brian Sicknick
After serving in the Air National Guard and dreaming of becoming a police officer, Brian D. Sicknick joined the Capitol Police force in 2008. He died the day after he was overpowered and beaten by rioters from the mob at the Capitol
.

9 deaths in total have been attributed to that day.

What short memories people have. Trump is the only president in US history who has incited a mob to attack democratically elected colleagues for simply doing their jobs.

I don’t think you can prove that all deaths were caused by the riots. For example some cause of deaths being myocardial infarction (heart attack). They were likely unrelated. Stress is not a big risk factor for MI.

WildLemur · 02/08/2024 21:46

Let's also not pretend that it's only the left that says that Trump nearly overthrow democracy and will try again. Conservatives have been bragging about it publicly, too.

Jack Posobeic at the opening day of CPAC (to applause and cheers):

"Welcome to the end of democracy. We are here to overthrow it completely. We didn’t get all the way there on January 6, but we will endeavor to get rid of it and replace it with this, right here. All glory is not to government. All glory to God.”

They aren't even hiding it, yet still some deny it.

BIossomtoes · 02/08/2024 21:45

FayeGreener · 02/08/2024 21:35

I would like there to be a capable president. Voting for someone because they’re “not Trump” is not good enough!
It’s not good enough in this country either where we’ve ended up with not-Sunak!

We’ve ended up with a PM with more intelligence, integrity and gravitas in his little finger than the whole Tory party put together. We’re bloody lucky to have him, just as the US would be to have Harris.

MacDonaldandHobNobs · 02/08/2024 21:43

FayeGreener · 02/08/2024 21:33

I thought the only death that day was one of the rioters?

Police Officer Brian Sicknick
After serving in the Air National Guard and dreaming of becoming a police officer, Brian D. Sicknick joined the Capitol Police force in 2008. He died the day after he was overpowered and beaten by rioters from the mob at the Capitol
.

9 deaths in total have been attributed to that day.

What short memories people have. Trump is the only president in US history who has incited a mob to attack democratically elected colleagues for simply doing their jobs.

rumblegrumble · 02/08/2024 21:43

Possibly excited by her chances, and that there is now a chance it's not Trump. Not at all excited by her though, and very sad that if the US finally get a female president it'll be an extremely underwhelming candidate who is only being considered as a protest vote against Trump. I'm also finding the remarkable change in attitude towards her very uncomfortable - a few weeks ago the entire media were loudly despairing the fact that she was a massive disappointment with even less chance of winning than Biden, and speculating hopefully who might potentially be flown in to replace the pair of them. Now all of a sudden she's been an exemplary VP and will certainly be an amazing president and she's definitely everyone's first choice, and definitely would've been even if they'd had a full contest. I don't personally enjoy feeling quite so overtly manipulated.

WildLemur · 02/08/2024 21:42

YankSplaining · 02/08/2024 21:37

You seriously believe Trump would be president at this moment, were it not for the mighty power of Mike Pence?!

If Pence had agreed with Trump, do you seriously believe that the legislative and judicial branches would have just said, “Well, everyone, looks like he’s dictator-for-life now - let’s just let him stay in the White House”?!

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At the absolute minimum it would have thrown the country into a constitutional crisis.

And I do not have your faith that the current Supreme Court would have ruled against Trump.

GrumpyPanda · 02/08/2024 21:40

Aquamarine1029 · 02/08/2024 18:57

I've listened to her speak for more than 30 seconds.

And have you listened to IQ45 speak for more than 30 seconds?

nietzscheanvibe · 02/08/2024 21:38

Aquamarine1029 · 02/08/2024 18:57

I've listened to her speak for more than 30 seconds.

And Trump speaks more sense? 🤔

YankSplaining · 02/08/2024 21:37

WildLemur · 02/08/2024 21:28

We only avoided Trump stealing the last election because Pence was unwilling to be complicit.

Trump came within a whisker of overthrowing democracy last time, I don't know why people have a hard time believing he won't try again, or that it's impossible he will succeed.

You seriously believe Trump would be president at this moment, were it not for the mighty power of Mike Pence?!

If Pence had agreed with Trump, do you seriously believe that the legislative and judicial branches would have just said, “Well, everyone, looks like he’s dictator-for-life now - let’s just let him stay in the White House”?!

FayeGreener · 02/08/2024 21:35

I would like there to be a capable president. Voting for someone because they’re “not Trump” is not good enough!
It’s not good enough in this country either where we’ve ended up with not-Sunak!

FayeGreener · 02/08/2024 21:33

MacDonaldandHobNobs · 02/08/2024 21:32

His lies have actually cost some people their lives and endangered a good many others. Or is the Jan 6 riot a dim and distant memory? Police officers lost their lives that day just doing their jobs because he incited his followers to attack the Capitol Building. His rhetoric is dangerous.

His fanatical MAGA followers actually follow through when he asks them too.

I thought the only death that day was one of the rioters?

MacDonaldandHobNobs · 02/08/2024 21:32

FayeGreener · 02/08/2024 21:17

But people who are against Trump contradict themselves don’t they? On the one hand they say “everything Trump says is a lie” and on the other hand they say “oh my god! He said he’s going to be a dictator for life!”

You can’t believe a) and still be scared of the prospect of b).

His lies have actually cost some people their lives and endangered a good many others. Or is the Jan 6 riot a dim and distant memory? Police officers lost their lives that day just doing their jobs because he incited his followers to attack the Capitol Building. His rhetoric is dangerous.

His fanatical MAGA followers actually follow through when he asks them too.

Bollihobs · 02/08/2024 21:32

user556453 · 02/08/2024 20:14

Might be worth watching some actual speeches/rallies rather than a compendium of clips put together by a platform with a very far right bias?

“This is just an extraordinary testament to the importance of having a president who understands the power of diplomacy and understands the strength that rests in understanding the significance of diplomacy”

This is what she said, I'm not sure how the political leanings of any reporter can change that.

If you think that's a coherent and useful addition to the proceedings Kamala's team would disagree with you, they edited it to a more coherent statement for publication. I think they're going to be quite busy in the next few months.

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