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Now that she's the official nominee, is anyone else excited about Kamala Harris's chances?

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twodowntwotogo · 02/08/2024 18:39

Just to get it out of the way - I am completely against Trump being elected President. I'm pretty excited to see Kamala being officially nominated, and looking forward to her fighting a strong campaign - albeit slightly nervously. Anyone else?

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BIossomtoes · 03/08/2024 11:58

twodowntwotogo · 03/08/2024 11:56

Oh sorry, I got user names confused. Yes, thanks - I just don't understand the strategy of posters demanding evidence. If they can post on mumsnet they must have access to google!

To be fair, I do it quite a lot when posters bullshit. It’s fun watching them squirm!

LeatherTuscadero · 03/08/2024 11:57

To answer the OP's question, I'm obsessed with the presidential race since Joe Biden stepped down. I've probably read every article about Kamala in the New York Times and the Guardian, and signed up to a bunch of new podcasts as well. After a while I realised I was probably in a left-wing bubble, so I've deliberately been reading right-wing critiques of her, and trying to find right-wing podcasts as well.

The only right-wing podcast I can really stand to listen to is Megyn Kelly's. She's the ex-Fox News presenter about whom Trump said "She had blood coming out of her wherever." She uses her previous combative relationship with Trump to prove JD Vance could be be sincere when he transformed his opinion of Trump - because she has as well.

She has long-form interviews with conservatives who do make good points, and I'm glad I'm listening to the other side. But not the most famous nutcases like Hannity.

Can Kamala's wave of popularity carry her beyond the Republicans' in-built electoral college advantage?

twodowntwotogo · 03/08/2024 11:56

BIossomtoes · 03/08/2024 11:53

I provided the evidence that was requested. It took 30 seconds to find it. 🤷‍♀️

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Oh sorry, I got user names confused. Yes, thanks - I just don't understand the strategy of posters demanding evidence. If they can post on mumsnet they must have access to google!

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BIossomtoes · 03/08/2024 11:53

twodowntwotogo · 03/08/2024 11:35

@BIossomtoes and others who 'want evidence' - this has become a real hallmark of discussions about Trump. Please explain why can't you just look it up yourselves?

I provided the evidence that was requested. It took 30 seconds to find it. 🤷‍♀️

twodowntwotogo · 03/08/2024 11:35

nietzscheanvibe · 03/08/2024 11:01

🤭👍👏

It astounds me what people are prepared to forgive, or simply overlook, with Trump. He's a f* moron with no interest in anything except furthering his own interests.

I'll suggest now that, if he wins, he'll try to remove the two-term limit for the presidency. 😱

@BIossomtoes and others who 'want evidence' - this has become a real hallmark of discussions about Trump. Please explain why can't you just look it up yourselves?

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Flumpie59 · 03/08/2024 11:08

KAMALA! KAMALA!

If she's elected she'll be the 1st female president and Doug will be First Gentleman. Sounds brilliant!

Trump, the old fart by name and nature hates her because:

She's a beautiful looking, intelligent and hard working woman with her own brain who refuses to allow men to control her.

She fights for animal rights.

She fights for women's rights.

She fights for black and Indian rights.

She fights for freedom and we all know old farty is a animal hating, women hating homophobic racist white supremist!

nietzscheanvibe · 03/08/2024 11:01

BIossomtoes · 03/08/2024 08:32

I also want evidence of where did Trump advise people to inject themselves with bleach?

Here you go.

🤭👍👏

It astounds me what people are prepared to forgive, or simply overlook, with Trump. He's a f* moron with no interest in anything except furthering his own interests.

I'll suggest now that, if he wins, he'll try to remove the two-term limit for the presidency. 😱

twodowntwotogo · 03/08/2024 10:48

missmousemouth · 03/08/2024 09:33

Do some people on this thread REALLY think Trump is a better candidate than Harris?

Or are they evaluating Harris against a different imaginary candidate?

Because objectively, any criticism of Harris on this thread is true for Trump by many multiples.

Plus, she isn't a criminal and nor has she attempted to undermine democracy or encouraged treasonous actions.

Seriously people... What's going on when her 'word salad' damns her but treason doesn't damn him?

Agreed.
I think it's completely unserious and obtuse to argue that she could be worse than Trump. Even setting his awful personal characteristics and history aside - he encouraged a violent insurrection against the institutions of democracy so not liking her laugh or just stating that she wasn't a very prominent VP as reasons not to vote for her seems a deeply frivolous position.
It's a slightly strange situation as it feels like almost any Democratic candidate would be better than Trump. KH is clearly not perfect (who is) and I don't love the strategy of calling Trump and Vance 'weird' as it seems so puerile but I am more hopeful than I have been in many months that Trump can be beaten.

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TempestTost · 03/08/2024 10:25

I am not convinced she'll do that well. She was so unpopular before, I tend to think she is really being bigged up by the media. The fact that Democrats are presenting such a united front, and are so relieved that Biden stepped down, plays ito that.

But will it last until the election? All the reasons she was unpopular before will begin to show themselves, is one problem. She was in fact a DEI candidate, Biden did her no favours saying that out loud, If she's done very well it would not matter so much, but she's not really. She's made a bit of a mess in some off the cuff speaking engagements. She was so unpopular last time she made a bid for Dem candidate she gave up almost immediately. She flip flopped around on issues to be more popular.

But I think what might be the real question is whether the swing voters who voted for Trump before would d move to her. She already has the black female vote, but I don't really see her winning back the black men who left or Hispanic voters - they felt quite betrayed by Obama. She will have a tricky line to walk with abortion - Trump has kind of defused it in many ways for himself by kicking it to the states to manage, but her voters will want her to talk about it, and the Dem attitude seems to be one that does not always speak to middle road voters - particularly that Hispanoc vote. Trump has also been strategic I think in picking Vance, who is indeed weird, but is also known as a huge union supporyer. The Democrats ave not had a great history there of late, many more socialist voters felt really betrayed by Obama's union busting. And the stuff with trans issues is a huge weak spot for her because of her personal support and her tendency to be very authoritarian on issues. Many less natural Dem voters are really up in arms about the boxing stuff at the moment and the ways schools etc are behaving - and it's not just the issue directly, but they think it makes her look like a dangerous idiot - who will support their 13 years olds getting mastectomies. Can she row that back without looking like she is flip flopping again.

Fedupmeds · 03/08/2024 09:59

He was quated on the news regarding drinking bleach fact.and the word hate its a strong word there is a fine line betwen love and hate and the word should not be used out of context. We only ever hear slanging matches from him never educated debates and that is concerning, its as though he has a cult following , there is no reasoning , his remarks are quite shocking But if he does win there will be unrest he has an ideology that a country is ruled by dictatorship alone , as he said and I quote "if he wins you will never have to vote again" make of that what you will.

missmousemouth · 03/08/2024 09:33

Do some people on this thread REALLY think Trump is a better candidate than Harris?

Or are they evaluating Harris against a different imaginary candidate?

Because objectively, any criticism of Harris on this thread is true for Trump by many multiples.

Plus, she isn't a criminal and nor has she attempted to undermine democracy or encouraged treasonous actions.

Seriously people... What's going on when her 'word salad' damns her but treason doesn't damn him?

MacDonaldandHobNobs · 03/08/2024 08:54

DiamondGoldandSilver · 03/08/2024 08:50

Again, more posts labelling Kamala Harris as stupid, when objectively she has held incredibly demanding roles which require significant intellect. This really typifies what women are up against- she could have a PhD in nuclear energy and I suspect she would still be accused of using sex to get ahead. The misogyny is astounding!

I think this man very eloquently reinforces your point.

Kamala Harris 2024: 'How Qualified Does a Black Person Have to Be?'

A 'DEI candidate?' How about 'the more qualified candidate?' This pastor weighs in on all Kamala Harris has done to prepare for leading the country.» Sign up...

https://youtu.be/PcbaK84pXDg?si=TRQKmBXl5MKG_VuR

DiamondGoldandSilver · 03/08/2024 08:50

Again, more posts labelling Kamala Harris as stupid, when objectively she has held incredibly demanding roles which require significant intellect. This really typifies what women are up against- she could have a PhD in nuclear energy and I suspect she would still be accused of using sex to get ahead. The misogyny is astounding!

scatterolight · 03/08/2024 08:41

She's a word salad moron, with a highly inappropriate demeanour that flips from maniacal laughter to faux seriousness. That viral "to be unencumbered by what has been" video basically sums her up.

MacDonaldandHobNobs · 03/08/2024 08:35

dottiehens · 03/08/2024 08:20

School children are the ones that use childless words like “Orange Baboon “ in these threats. Also, lies are coming from everywhere. I also want evidence of where did Trump advise people to inject themselves with bleach? How is he supporting a think tank that proposed project 25 and many other things that people listen and exaggerates and change.

The fact that people hate Trump does not mean Biden, Kamala and the duplicitous bunch that is the Democrats are much better. Have people been paying attention but it also seem cultish now. Denying facts and foaming is not the way to win elections.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52407177

HTH

It's exactly a year since Trump suggested using bleach to treat Covid

On 24th April 2020, the President of the United States publicly discussed the use of 'disinfectant' as a potential treatment for Covid-19, with former corona...

https://youtu.be/PAauiLx3AvQ?si=Ai4aBzonLm-QrY-S

BIossomtoes · 03/08/2024 08:32

I also want evidence of where did Trump advise people to inject themselves with bleach?

Here you go.

WickedSerious · 03/08/2024 08:32

Oh well,it's it's alright with Beyonce I don't see how anyone could object.

dottiedodah · 03/08/2024 08:26

3custardcreams Thank you for your points made.I have been 4 pages into this thread ,and only now have found out more about KH!

cheezncrackers · 03/08/2024 08:23

I feel the Dems' chances are considerably improved but it's not a shoo-in. From what I'm seeing, Trump and GOP are running scared BUT in know I'm in a bit of a lefty echo chamber online. IRL there are plenty of people who will still vote for him for some ungodly reason.

Some people will always vote Republican, in the same way that some people will always vote Conservative, because there are certain policies that are Republican that appeal - small government, low taxes, etc. And there are things that a decent chunk of US voters liked about Trump's first government, even if they didn't like him personally - things like protectionism, isolationism, strong borders, tough talk with allies, etc, those go down very well with a lot of voters who think that America and Americans should come first. So there are the hardcore Republican supporters, the people who love Trump and all he stands for, and those who will hold their noses and vote for the candidate they consider the least worst option - like we do here.

DamnUserName21 · 03/08/2024 08:22

Unfortunately, KH stands no chance against DT.

Trump seems to bounce back from everything: bankruptcy, rape and sexual harassment allegations, bad press, conviction, and still gets nominated. What does that tell you!!

He is popular in Republican states, has prolife and gun lobbies, and he is a rich, white man. He will win be taking the electoral college.

Hope I'm wrong but doubtful.

Westfacing · 03/08/2024 08:22

If I were an American I would vote for Harris as president rather than Trump, but wouldn't be excited.

She and Biden have presided over the carnage in Gaza with barely a critical word - so no excitement from me. I can't stand Trump with his small brain and stupid rhetoric but deep down I don't really care who wins.

dottiehens · 03/08/2024 08:20

Fedupmeds · 03/08/2024 01:45

Absolutely agree , repulsive and vitriol to be expected, they are like school children. Behaviour is appalling and hostile.

School children are the ones that use childless words like “Orange Baboon “ in these threats. Also, lies are coming from everywhere. I also want evidence of where did Trump advise people to inject themselves with bleach? How is he supporting a think tank that proposed project 25 and many other things that people listen and exaggerates and change.

The fact that people hate Trump does not mean Biden, Kamala and the duplicitous bunch that is the Democrats are much better. Have people been paying attention but it also seem cultish now. Denying facts and foaming is not the way to win elections.

DiamondGoldandSilver · 03/08/2024 08:08

Also- she was elected to the role of Attorney General and elected as District Attorney. Unless she slept with all the voters it was literally impossible for her to use sex to become elected. PP really needs to apologise for spreading misogynistic misinformation.

DiamondGoldandSilver · 03/08/2024 08:06

I think the poster who has accused Kamala of sleeping her way into senior roles should post the source for this, or apologise.

DiamondGoldandSilver · 03/08/2024 08:03

Pretty shocking that posters are saying Kamala was promoted to District Attorney and Attorney General because of who she slept with. No one is that good in bed! It’s such a myth that success women are promoted because of who they sleep with. It’s pretty offensive.

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