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Now that she's the official nominee, is anyone else excited about Kamala Harris's chances?

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twodowntwotogo · 02/08/2024 18:39

Just to get it out of the way - I am completely against Trump being elected President. I'm pretty excited to see Kamala being officially nominated, and looking forward to her fighting a strong campaign - albeit slightly nervously. Anyone else?

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user556453 · 03/08/2024 16:45

YankSplaining · 03/08/2024 15:52

“He could impose martial law due to civil unrest and indefinitely postpone an election although probably not delay indefinitely.”

So, unlike the previous poster I started this conversation with, you don’t think he’d somehow be able to “cancel elections” and make himself the lifelong dictator of the US.

In order for Trump to impose martial law due to civil unrest, he’d have to have obvious civil unrest. Why wouldn’t he have done that during the summer of 2020 with the George Floyd riots, if using martial law to postpone an election is his secret plan? (And if the answer is, “It wasn’t big or widespread enough to be a good excuse,” what are you anticipating will happen that he would use as an excuse?)

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Right now, as the power stands, he doesn't need obvious civil unrest. He gets to decide.

He wanted to use it during the George Floyd riots. Aides drafted the orders, but as I said before, his military personnel (Mark Milley and Mark Esper) pushed back. He won't have these people around him next time, by design. He has also expressed regret that he didn't invoke it then. I'm not convinced that under those circumstances (a lack of top level people willing or wanting to push back) they wouldn't use it.

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2024/05/05/insurrection-act-trump-abuse-reforms/

poetryandwine · 03/08/2024 16:42

Aquamarine1029 · 03/08/2024 16:36

Calm down, sweetheart. Run along now. You're boring me.

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I could say the same of you @Aquamarine1029 as I am still awaiting the evidence for the insulting view you hold of KH

poetryandwine · 03/08/2024 16:40

Reliable polls reported now in the NY Times show Harris tied with Trump in the swing states of Wisconsin and Michigan

Aquamarine1029 · 03/08/2024 16:36

nietzscheanvibe · 03/08/2024 16:08

Then you misread the question, which asked if we were excited about Harris's chances, thereby inextricably linking it to the contest with Trump - or are you incapable of holding two thoughts simultaneously?

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Calm down, sweetheart. Run along now. You're boring me.

YankSplaining · 03/08/2024 16:36

pikkumyy77 · 03/08/2024 15:58

Trump’s top people testified that he absolutely had been intending to use unrest at the time of the stop the steal rally in order to impose martial law and stop certification of Biden’s win. This is not an obscure or unknown fact.

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Then why didn’t he?

All talk, no action. I’m a “double hater,” but neither candidate scares me.

harmfulsweeties · 03/08/2024 16:34

It's also worth noting (to add to my previous post) that Clinton had the backing of Beyonce-and we all know how much that helped her.

I don't support Trump-but I really hate this nonsense that people should be voting based on what celebrity thinks what. I don't give a fuck what some out of touch billionaire thinks.

harmfulsweeties · 03/08/2024 16:30

MacDonaldandHobNobs · 02/08/2024 18:59

She's now leading in the national polls. She has raised more than double the amount Trump has in donations in one month. The upswell in support is very impressive.

Supporting her she has:

Beyoncé
George Clooney
Taylor Swift
Oprah
Obamas

Trump has

Hulk Hogan
Kid Rock
Alina Habba
34 felony convictions

I'd say she's stands a very good chance

I don't have a horse in this race at all-but why do people think it matters which celebrity favours which candidate?

Are people so dumb that they need to be led by celebrities (who they have zero in common with) to make a decision?

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twodowntwotogo · 03/08/2024 16:24

FayeGreener · 03/08/2024 15:19

Here’s a photo of Kamala with Willie Brown. I can certainly see nothing suspicious in why a young, beautiful woman like her would be with a knackered old bald bloke thirty years her senior.

How weird to try to make anything of a one-year relationship 30 years ago.

Speaking as someone who lived in SF in the 1990s: he was a lot more than 'a knackered old bald bloke', he was an inspiring and almost legendary figure, deeply dedicated to civil rights, champion of major urban projects, integration of local government and access to education.

Harris hardly owes her subsequent success to the fact she had a brief relationship with him. It's such a tired trope saying a successful woman got to the top through having sex with powerful men - is that what you're insinuating? Even if she got her first big job from him (she didn't) how exactly would you explain her being elected to be AG of California?

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halava · 03/08/2024 16:10

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nietzscheanvibe · 03/08/2024 16:08

Aquamarine1029 · 03/08/2024 15:26

I don't prefer Trump. I answered the question as asked. Her "fucking implicit" question was asking if we were excited about Harris. I'm not. Well done for being a twat, though.

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Then you misread the question, which asked if we were excited about Harris's chances, thereby inextricably linking it to the contest with Trump - or are you incapable of holding two thoughts simultaneously?

pikkumyy77 · 03/08/2024 15:58

YankSplaining · 03/08/2024 15:52

“He could impose martial law due to civil unrest and indefinitely postpone an election although probably not delay indefinitely.”

So, unlike the previous poster I started this conversation with, you don’t think he’d somehow be able to “cancel elections” and make himself the lifelong dictator of the US.

In order for Trump to impose martial law due to civil unrest, he’d have to have obvious civil unrest. Why wouldn’t he have done that during the summer of 2020 with the George Floyd riots, if using martial law to postpone an election is his secret plan? (And if the answer is, “It wasn’t big or widespread enough to be a good excuse,” what are you anticipating will happen that he would use as an excuse?)

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Trump’s top people testified that he absolutely had been intending to use unrest at the time of the stop the steal rally in order to impose martial law and stop certification of Biden’s win. This is not an obscure or unknown fact.

nietzscheanvibe · 03/08/2024 15:58

Aquamarine1029 · 03/08/2024 15:26

I don't prefer Trump. I answered the question as asked. Her "fucking implicit" question was asking if we were excited about Harris. I'm not. Well done for being a twat, though.

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🙄

FayeGreener · 03/08/2024 15:56

BustingBaoBun · 03/08/2024 15:54

Gosh you really hate her don't you?! You're showing yourself up here you know...

Everyone has a past, even you maybe....

Not replying to you anymore, life's too short 🤣

(C'mon Simone.... brilliant vault wahoooo)

I do indeed have a past. I’m not standing to be the leader of the free world though.

Enjoy your Olympics!

nietzscheanvibe · 03/08/2024 15:55

TickTockTickTok · 03/08/2024 15:01

Why are you clapping, did you listen to the clip?

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I was clapping the pp who provided the clip, and i was mocking the person who needed "evidence" that Trump had said this (I thought virtually everyone had seen this at the time).

BustingBaoBun · 03/08/2024 15:54

Gosh you really hate her don't you?! You're showing yourself up here you know...

Everyone has a past, even you maybe....

Not replying to you anymore, life's too short 🤣

(C'mon Simone.... brilliant vault wahoooo)

BIossomtoes · 03/08/2024 15:52

FayeGreener · 03/08/2024 15:31

This thread isn’t about Trump is it? (As numerous people have pointed out).

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Given it’s a two way contest Trump’s highly relevant whether you like it or not.

YankSplaining · 03/08/2024 15:52

user556453 · 03/08/2024 15:20

Yes, but citing the constitution, when it's such a bizarre interpretation is essentially just words, not any real judicial theory.

He could impose martial law due to civil unrest and indefinitely postpone an election although probably not delay indefinitely. The issues with the courts are obvious (2 or his 3 supreme court appointments were extremely problematic in method, Judge Cannon is shockingly biased). It was only personnel that kept him from invoking the Insurrection Act previously and that kind of personnel would be gone in a next term (personnel is the only part of Project 2025 they're not running away from as fast as they can scurry).

I'm fairly left-wing, but an institutionalist, and I believed during his first term that our institutions would hold strong - I certainly thought The Atlantic was being overly alarmist about the fake electors plan. I no longer have that confidence.

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“He could impose martial law due to civil unrest and indefinitely postpone an election although probably not delay indefinitely.”

So, unlike the previous poster I started this conversation with, you don’t think he’d somehow be able to “cancel elections” and make himself the lifelong dictator of the US.

In order for Trump to impose martial law due to civil unrest, he’d have to have obvious civil unrest. Why wouldn’t he have done that during the summer of 2020 with the George Floyd riots, if using martial law to postpone an election is his secret plan? (And if the answer is, “It wasn’t big or widespread enough to be a good excuse,” what are you anticipating will happen that he would use as an excuse?)

FayeGreener · 03/08/2024 15:52

BustingBaoBun · 03/08/2024 15:49

Fine by me.

Personally, I'd love it if Pete Buttegieg was her VP but that might be one step too far for the American people

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No I don’t think this will happen. The fact that he’s openly gay would lose any votes him being white and male (and ex-armed forces!) would gain.

FayeGreener · 03/08/2024 15:50

BustingBaoBun · 03/08/2024 15:47

That's hilarious!

Her husband is the same age as her so you are digging deep into her past to have a pop!
No. Not a reasonable assumption at all. Desperation from you!

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I don’t see that her husband’s age has any relevance. She’s got to her position of power. She doesn’t need to fuck old men anymore.

BustingBaoBun · 03/08/2024 15:49

FayeGreener · 03/08/2024 15:47

Come on. We all know why Biden selected Kamala, just as we all know why Kamala will almost certainly select a white male as her running mate. This is how it works.

Fine by me.

Personally, I'd love it if Pete Buttegieg was her VP but that might be one step too far for the American people

BustingBaoBun · 03/08/2024 15:47

FayeGreener · 03/08/2024 15:40

Proof? Do you think I’ve got photos or something?

I think when a young woman has a relationship with a much much older rich and influential man it’s a reasonable assumption she’s using her sexual wiles to get something out of the situation.

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That's hilarious!

Her husband is the same age as her so you are digging deep into her past to have a pop!
No. Not a reasonable assumption at all. Desperation from you!

FayeGreener · 03/08/2024 15:47

Come on. We all know why Biden selected Kamala, just as we all know why Kamala will almost certainly select a white male as her running mate. This is how it works.

Molly70 · 03/08/2024 15:45

twodowntwotogo · 03/08/2024 10:48

Agreed.
I think it's completely unserious and obtuse to argue that she could be worse than Trump. Even setting his awful personal characteristics and history aside - he encouraged a violent insurrection against the institutions of democracy so not liking her laugh or just stating that she wasn't a very prominent VP as reasons not to vote for her seems a deeply frivolous position.
It's a slightly strange situation as it feels like almost any Democratic candidate would be better than Trump. KH is clearly not perfect (who is) and I don't love the strategy of calling Trump and Vance 'weird' as it seems so puerile but I am more hopeful than I have been in many months that Trump can be beaten.

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I think you focus a bit too much on their personal characteristics and who is the better/ nicer person. For voters, it is often just a case of whether they and their families felt better off (in terms of finances and safety) under the Trump administration or the Biden/Harris administration and for many people they felt better off under the Trump administration. They are not voting for who they want to go and have a beer with.

FayeGreener · 03/08/2024 15:41

user556453 · 03/08/2024 15:39

Ah, so you're a racist as well as a misogynist. Cool.

Editing to add - not sure what's cushy about her career choices? Her jobs have been fairly stressful as opposed to making about 6 times the money in a law firm.

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She IS a diversity hire. Literally. Biden was quite open about having got her on board as his VP because she’s black/asian/female.