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Now that she's the official nominee, is anyone else excited about Kamala Harris's chances?

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twodowntwotogo · 02/08/2024 18:39

Just to get it out of the way - I am completely against Trump being elected President. I'm pretty excited to see Kamala being officially nominated, and looking forward to her fighting a strong campaign - albeit slightly nervously. Anyone else?

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BustingBaoBun · 24/08/2024 12:52

@user556453

Love your post! I'll take my chances with strong women, childless or not...

user556453 · 24/08/2024 12:13

BIossomtoes · 24/08/2024 11:31

It would certainly appear that way. What about women like me who have children but not grandchildren? Do we have a stake in the future or not? It’s worth bearing in mind that it was this train of thought that was used when Andrea Leadsom ruined her own leadership chances in 2016.

Truthfully, considering that most of the (considerable) damage in the world has been instigated and done by men who do have children, I'm very happy to give the childless cat ladies a chance.

It's surely a bit ironic that the party of people-without-children-have-no-stake-in-the-future is the one trying to dismantle environmental protections, foreign alliances, and programmes that actually benefit women and children, is it not?

Disclaimer: I do have children.

BustingBaoBun · 24/08/2024 12:06

Harris has been shifting the narrative away from Trump and towards a more positive and hopeful future - and maybe that's what people are responding to, an optimism that some more moderation in public discourse might win over the deep and hate-filled divisions so prominent in American politics since 2016

^^ This. I have watched clips of Trump at his 'press conferences' , rallies etc and he talks about the US being a banana republic, turning into a shithole, how you will be raped crossing the street to buy bread. Very depressing.

twodowntwotogo · 24/08/2024 12:00

It's so telling that

  1. The most damning things people on here seem to be able to come up with against Harris is so vague and superficial - her smile, her laugh, her supposed 'phoniness', allusions to interviews or books they barely remember and can't give any specifics on and
  2. They have simply nothing actually positive to say about Trump.

It's like a watered down version of the bile and spite that the Republicans have traded in under Trump, particularly the older corrupted figures such as
Marjorie Taylor Green, Santos and Vance. Their key appeal seems to be to hearken to a supposed golden age when straight white Christian men were in charge and everyone else's role was to serve them whether through child-bearing or tugging the forelock. I really hope demographic change will see them off.

Harris has been shifting the narrative away from Trump and towards a more positive and hopeful future - and maybe that's what people are responding to, an optimism that some more moderation in public discourse might win over the deep and hate-filled divisions so prominent in American politics since 2016.

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BIossomtoes · 24/08/2024 11:31

twodowntwotogo · 24/08/2024 11:21

And how are you using 'critical thinking' in relation to Vance's comments?
Are you seriously saying that only women who have had children have a stake in the future?

It would certainly appear that way. What about women like me who have children but not grandchildren? Do we have a stake in the future or not? It’s worth bearing in mind that it was this train of thought that was used when Andrea Leadsom ruined her own leadership chances in 2016.

twodowntwotogo · 24/08/2024 11:21

dottiehens · 24/08/2024 07:39

This everyone is weird except the people sticking with the democrats is also too obvious.

Some people realise when everything is being weaponised to suit their purposes. Cat ladies was never about IVF. It was about women with power making decisions that will affect future generations. I always think of Angela Merkel this way. However, for the shortsighted and people who lack critical thinking anything can be twist for to suit narratives.

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And how are you using 'critical thinking' in relation to Vance's comments?
Are you seriously saying that only women who have had children have a stake in the future?

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EasternStandard · 24/08/2024 10:44

It's incredibility close

Every so often I google will Trump win and it seems the bookies have swung back to him, likely due to RFK

It could switch again of course.

I'm not keen on the celeb conference style, would prefer for them to go on policy

poetryandwine · 24/08/2024 10:39

Viviennemary · 23/08/2024 22:47

You have put that very well. She doesn't give interviews Becaise she is hopeless at them. All she can do is appear with lots of razzmatazz and balloons in front of fawning cheering celebs, totally pathetic amd cringeworthy,

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One candidate was introduced at their convention by a ‘celeb’ and literally appeared from a cloud of smoke. The other didn’t even get a standard personal introduction, just walked briskly onstage after their name was called over the sound system.

Which was which, @Viviennemary ?

poetryandwine · 24/08/2024 10:32

WildLemur · 23/08/2024 21:56

I can understand that someone might find her "insipid and unintelligent in her speeches" - I don't see it at all (certainly not unintelligent) but of course its a subjective thing.

But surely anyone would have to agree that she is leagues ahead of Trump in intelligent/coherent speech giving?

Great post, and I agree. This election is a stark choice.

Aussieland · 24/08/2024 08:42

Viviennemary · 23/08/2024 17:14

Trump has been President. The world is still intact. Not looking forward to seeing that manic grin on our screens for the next three years.

I love that you are ignoring all the terrible things he did but even if we do, SMILING is worse than rape?! REALLY?

Followyouinto · 24/08/2024 08:25

is the benchmark here really ‘better than Trump’ when the man is a complete buffoon. Yes I agree she is better than Trump. But that bar is low and I see nothing exciting about a Kamala Harris presidency. For reasons I mentioned above and nothing exciting about her chances (per thread title).

MacDonaldandHobNobs · 24/08/2024 08:18

On a serious note, having watched his very recent press conferences Trump genuinely looks likes he's in a cognitive decline. He seems to be sprialling downwards quite fast.

I wondered whether it was a ploy to play the medical card when he got sentenced in the hope of avoiding jail but it looks like he's really spiralling out of control.

Is this dementia or early onset Alzheimers? Is this the prelude to a stroke? he really doesn't look well. At what point does someone step in medically to raise concerns.

knitnerd90 · 24/08/2024 08:11

dottiehens · 24/08/2024 07:39

This everyone is weird except the people sticking with the democrats is also too obvious.

Some people realise when everything is being weaponised to suit their purposes. Cat ladies was never about IVF. It was about women with power making decisions that will affect future generations. I always think of Angela Merkel this way. However, for the shortsighted and people who lack critical thinking anything can be twist for to suit narratives.

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No, you can't change Vance's words like that. He said what he said, and your version isn't better. The entire notion that childless women shouldn't have power because of the future is nonsense. Democrats recognised that. And IVF isn't about JD Vance's comment: it's about the consequences of abortion bans.

There are weird Democrats out there, certainly, although the usual Democratic method is to get lazy and corrupt (think of the guy AOC defeated), rather than losing their minds.

Biden isn't running, and I don't believe he's actually got dementia, I think he's just old and tired. And I surely wouldn't make that a campaign point given how Trump has been doing.

MacDonaldandHobNobs · 24/08/2024 08:10

It's so very interesting to watch Trump and his supporters still trying to run a campaign on who they'd like to be running against, not who they actually are running against. This is what will lose the election for them.

Its very clear they literally have no clue on how to campaign against Kamala Harris because they lose on every front. She represents future politics not the past, that's very hard to fight against as it will be the next generations deciding the future. Project 2025 is a huge nail in the coffin for many voters, they should be reaching out to people not alienating them by taking away civil rights.

MAGA movement will be defeated by Christmas, its already diminishing. It needs to happen so the world can move on.

This time next year Trump will be in prison going through more trials for the other 60 felony charges against him.

What will be interesting will be how the Republican party can rebuild post Trump. If they actually can.

BustingBaoBun · 24/08/2024 07:56

alldayeveryday247 · 24/08/2024 07:53

@Viviennemary

I think she's awful. A totally fake self promoter

I don't know how you can say this but also say that Trump would be a better choice.

Madness.

You only have to put 'he' in the place of 'she' in all of these posts and it is Trump off to a T

alldayeveryday247 · 24/08/2024 07:53

@Viviennemary

I think she's awful. A totally fake self promoter

I don't know how you can say this but also say that Trump would be a better choice.

Madness.

BustingBaoBun · 24/08/2024 07:51

Cat ladies was never about IVF. It was about women with power making decisions that will affect future generations

My goodness. You are the first person I have seen anywhere on the internet who has justified what he said. It was about women who don't have children, labelling them in the most derogatory way. Personally I like strong women, whether they have children or not
I'll leave you to it. No point discussing if you think that was okay
How misogynistic

BustingBaoBun · 24/08/2024 07:47

I've got news for you dottiehens. Biden isn't running.

BustingBaoBun · 24/08/2024 07:44

Viviennemary · 23/08/2024 22:47

You have put that very well. She doesn't give interviews Becaise she is hopeless at them. All she can do is appear with lots of razzmatazz and balloons in front of fawning cheering celebs, totally pathetic amd cringeworthy,

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Of course Trump doesn't do that 🤔

Course he does! Exactly the same but less razamatazz because his audience is a bit bored of his ramblings and they tend to leave halfway through, especially as they've been paid to be there via the advert on Craig's list and be bored

dottiehens · 24/08/2024 07:39

knitnerd90 · 23/08/2024 07:54

Tulsi Gabbard is very weird. Reportedly the Hindu sect she grew up in is a cult. She's also the sort who used being antiwar to stand up for some rather terrible people. Went to Syria to meet with Assad in 2017.

This everyone is weird except the people sticking with the democrats is also too obvious.

Some people realise when everything is being weaponised to suit their purposes. Cat ladies was never about IVF. It was about women with power making decisions that will affect future generations. I always think of Angela Merkel this way. However, for the shortsighted and people who lack critical thinking anything can be twist for to suit narratives.

dottiehens · 24/08/2024 07:18

BustingBaoBun · 23/08/2024 17:32

Yes the world is still intact. He didn't press the nuke buttons. Do you think he'd be any better second time round, or a lot worse?

He has plans.

  1. Revenge for anyone who has wronged him in the last 8 years
  2. Leave NATO
  3. Admire and cosy up to Putin and other dictators.
  4. Project 25. Ignore it if you like. But 90 people from his last Administration wrote it. He will be implementing as much as he can manage of it.
  5. Stripping the career civil servants of their rights so he can sack them.
  6. Women, gay and trans people will be targeted.
  7. Issuing pardons for all those involved in the Insurrection. They were, apparently, 'true patriots'. People died that day.
  8. Dismantling the education system.

As for 'the manic grin'... how sad you are judging a woman on the way she smiles and obviously would prefer the man who will destabilise the world if he gets in.

Personally I would prefer 'the grin' than the 8 points above which barely scratch the surface.

I disagree with Biden the world got destabilised. With KH as VP.

Democrats are so embarrassing to still come up with shit like this. We are fucking lucky Biden has not come worse given he does not even know where he is half of the time. Even when asked about Venezuelan elections he had to be clarified after what he said as apparently he meant to say the contrary of what he said.

EddyF · 24/08/2024 02:15

This whole thread is embarrassing. There is nothing ‘unintelligent’ about KH. Undercover thick racists.

WildLemur · 24/08/2024 00:50

knitnerd90 · 24/08/2024 00:36

I can't believe someone criticises Harris for her interviews when her opponent is Trump. If she were running against Barack Obama, who is a brilliant speaker and interviewer, I'd take it. But Trump just spews incoherent nonsense.

Agreed. Kamala hasn't historically been the best at interviews or speeches (though she's certainly hit her stride on the latter) but she's absolutely not unintelligent.

Even if Trump was an otherwise excellent candidate (as opposed to being among the worst ever), his speeches are a nonsensical mess of lies, petty grievances and incoherent ramblings. No wonder nobody goes to his rallies anymore, even his supporters can no longer bear to hear him speak.

knitnerd90 · 24/08/2024 00:36

I can't believe someone criticises Harris for her interviews when her opponent is Trump. If she were running against Barack Obama, who is a brilliant speaker and interviewer, I'd take it. But Trump just spews incoherent nonsense.

user556453 · 23/08/2024 23:55

@AntsMarching

I haven't watched her interviews, but I watched her in senate hearings over the years and I found her to be researched, thoughtful, and willing to press the interviewee (in a congressional hearing), with facts, when necessary. I appreciate that level of preparedness and professionalism and she has a long history in public service.

Yes, she's been excellent in senate hearings. Poised, thoughtful, knowledgable, incisive and unafraid. That's how it becomes clear that posters such as @Viviennemary are posting either from a position of ignorance or maga delusion. I asked her earlier to post some examples to back up her assertions, specifying that they be from primary sourced video or interviews, not Fox News or social media compilations, but so far, just more unsubstantiated name calling.

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