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Family reported my husband to Adult Social Services

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LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 05:02

Its a long story but eight years ago I suffered an absolutely devastating psychotic breakdown after I submitted my PhD. Before this time I had what a thought was an amazing and near perfect marriage. I love my husband very very much. Over the time I have been unwell things have been very difficult. We had never really had a row before my breakdown (at the time I thought this was good but now I see it was a sign of lack of honesty and communication). Since being unwell I have seen a lot of things that were putting a serious strain on me which have come out in therapy. My doctors have been fairly certain though that at root the extreme and total breakdown is rooted in childhood trauma. My father, mother and sister were all abusive especially my father.

I have spoken to my sister about some of the issues that are difficult in my marriage as my husband has not responded well to my illness. I am a totally changed person and having never said a word about anything before, after the breakdown it was like a volcano of rage and anger and frustration coming out for my husbands neglect of me and my needs.

I spoke to my sister about the difficulties which have included my husband's hoarding, verbal abuse (in response though to my anger which has been out of control at times of which I am not proud), him not transferring money into my account on time sometimes so I don't have access to money, him not wanting to eat in the same room as me or be with me, him not engaging with my therapy and my abusive family with whom we have had little interaction on a regular basis are frustrated that he refuses to answer phonically.

Yesterday Adult Social Services phones me to say my father and my sister had made a report of concern for my wellbeing and safety at home. This morning I had to go to a meeting and explain the concerns to them.

AIBU in feeling this is an overreach by the state? I was there for two hours explaining everything to them and my husband os devastated as for eight years he has tried to care for me when I have been seriously unwell and devastated and angry that my whole life has been taken from me and Im not really getting better. Im especially angry that the report came from my original abuser.my life is in utter and complete ruins.

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Mirabai · 02/08/2024 17:53

yes I absolutely am draining him. prior to the breakdown he lent on me probably more than I did on him. it kind of feels though that I have also been caught in the crossfire of his issues. Prior to the huge breakdown I was far far far more functional and together and reliable than him. in every sphere of life.

Yes. This is great insight OP. As your friends said you were his “rock”.

You have your own issues and you’ve got caught up in his issues. And that is why posters are suggesting you may need distance from him to sort yourself out.

You’re concerned about what you’ve put him through in the last 8 years but how much concern does he have about what he’s put you through in the last 30? How much insight does he have into how much his behaviour has affected your life? Has he offered to get help or try and change?

LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 17:49

Mirabai · 02/08/2024 17:44

I totally understand how deeply painful that must have been. I hope you can forgive yourself as what came out in the breakdown inevitably would come out at some point, and it’s part of a process of integrating your childhood.

that's what my psychologist is working on with me. do you really believe it would have got me one way or another?

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LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 17:47

Mirabai · 02/08/2024 17:44

I totally understand how deeply painful that must have been. I hope you can forgive yourself as what came out in the breakdown inevitably would come out at some point, and it’s part of a process of integrating your childhood.

my psychologist says that too. it would have come out and in fact was already there in a way because my childhood wired me to interact with my husband the way I did and be a little miss perfect who could never get upset or say anything when my husband didn't buy me a birthday gift or take me out on a date.

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Mirabai · 02/08/2024 17:44

LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 17:38

I do even blame myself for my breakdown beaucse it was my thoughts that ran out of control. and its difficult to explain on here just how absolutely and utterly totalising the breakdown was. I believed I didn't deserve to see flowers or feel the sun. my therapist says he has never seen anybody with the level of abuse I have be able to achieve so much in their life which makes it incredibly difficult for me to then lose it all especially in a very sudden way when I finished my work and had a job to go to. its not like I screwed my life up by doing bad reckless irresponsible stuff. it was the fact opposite.

I totally understand how deeply painful that must have been. I hope you can forgive yourself as what came out in the breakdown inevitably would come out at some point, and it’s part of a process of integrating your childhood.

LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 17:44

Calliopespa · 02/08/2024 17:34

It’s your childhood you need to confront op. I know it’s hard and it hurts.

Tell DH this plan. Even if you need to move out while you work thru it to delineate and commit to the process fully ( and suggest he bins a few magazines ahead of your return!?) I think he’s been caught in the crossfire of your issues. But if the relationship is to work, you need to heal yourself. He had his own issues. He can’t manage both of your issues for both of your and it isn’t fair to expect it. It’s a partnership, and you need to be able to give as well as take and , kindly, I think right now you are draining him.

yes I absolutely am draining him. prior to the breakdown he lent on me probably more than I did on him. it kind of feels though that I have also been caught in the crossfire of his issues. Prior to the huge breakdown I was far far far more functional and together and reliable than him. in every sphere of life.

my psychologist is good at looking at the childhood issues. before the breakdown I would say that the dynamic was more that I dealt with both if out issues for us 0 but honestly I was completely oblivious to any issues form childhood or nay MH issues at all. that's what's perplexing and devastating because I would have gotten help if I knew I was fragile.

I truly wish he would get help for his issues too and also support for what he has gone through with me with has been extremely traumatic. I mean even the psychosis experience itself to see your wife saying that she is a devil and doesn't deserve to live is very very hard when you are trying to hold down a very demanding job and that wife used to lift you up every day.

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Mirabai · 02/08/2024 17:39

LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 17:31

I blame myself beaucse I didn't need to be under so much pressure as he was a loving husband who wanted to support me and care for me.

I know, I know, but can you see that in this folie à deux, he and his behaviours is part of the pressure? The so-called support comes at a huge price.

<I love you so much but I won’t let you have a cleaner or blinds and you have to do your PhD from your bed as you have no clear space to work.>

Like Edward Scissorhands - he hugs you while snipping you to shreds.

LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 17:38

LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 17:34

that's the view of my therapist. I also put my husband completely on a pedestal because I loved him so very very much.

I do even blame myself for my breakdown beaucse it was my thoughts that ran out of control. and its difficult to explain on here just how absolutely and utterly totalising the breakdown was. I believed I didn't deserve to see flowers or feel the sun. my therapist says he has never seen anybody with the level of abuse I have be able to achieve so much in their life which makes it incredibly difficult for me to then lose it all especially in a very sudden way when I finished my work and had a job to go to. its not like I screwed my life up by doing bad reckless irresponsible stuff. it was the fact opposite.

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LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 17:34

Mirabai · 02/08/2024 17:32

You are in fact blaming yourself too much and don’t want to acknowledge quite how dysfunctional your DH is and the extend to which it has contributed to your problems.

You’re not to blame for what happened, for your breakdown. You’ve been trying your best.

Edited

that's the view of my therapist. I also put my husband completely on a pedestal because I loved him so very very much.

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Calliopespa · 02/08/2024 17:34

LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 17:29

yes I entirely agree it has been utterly utterly horrific for him. Not least in that he loves me so much and would never ever have done anything deliberate to harm me. he was so so very proud of the work I was doing and the way id managed to do so well. I don't think either of us knew at all how I was effected by childhood.

I think at the very least childhood produced in me the kind of personality that couldn't see or advocate for my own needs. basically I went trough life never ever wanting to bother anybody with anything and worried I would get 'in trouble'. which eventually got so extreme I became delusional with fear id done something wrong in my thesis.

It’s your childhood you need to confront op. I know it’s hard and it hurts.

Tell DH this plan. Even if you need to move out while you work thru it to delineate and commit to the process fully ( and suggest he bins a few magazines ahead of your return!?) I think he’s been caught in the crossfire of your issues. But if the relationship is to work, you need to heal yourself. He had his own issues. He can’t manage both of your issues for both of your and it isn’t fair to expect it. It’s a partnership, and you need to be able to give as well as take and , kindly, I think right now you are draining him.

LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 17:32

Mirabai · 02/08/2024 17:26

Hasn’t done what things? I quoted from the OP.

Of course OP can access music when she’s on MN I’m not saying she can’t but the thing she wanted - presumably in the early days she wanted ITunes, Spotify subscriptions are relatively recent - he blocked.

OP didn’t procrastinate over blinds she got a quote from Hillary’s which her husband blocked.

OP doesn’t work now but she did and it’s then she could have done with a cleaner.

yes - that's all true

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Mirabai · 02/08/2024 17:32

LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 17:13

I do take responsibility and I blame myself all the time because I don't believe this suffering was necessary. and believe me it was extreme. I have long term physical damage because of things that happened in the psychosis.

You are in fact blaming yourself too much and don’t want to acknowledge quite how dysfunctional your DH is and the extend to which it has contributed to your problems.

You’re not to blame for what happened, for your breakdown. You’ve been trying your best.

LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 17:31

LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 17:29

yes I entirely agree it has been utterly utterly horrific for him. Not least in that he loves me so much and would never ever have done anything deliberate to harm me. he was so so very proud of the work I was doing and the way id managed to do so well. I don't think either of us knew at all how I was effected by childhood.

I think at the very least childhood produced in me the kind of personality that couldn't see or advocate for my own needs. basically I went trough life never ever wanting to bother anybody with anything and worried I would get 'in trouble'. which eventually got so extreme I became delusional with fear id done something wrong in my thesis.

I blame myself beaucse I didn't need to be under so much pressure as he was a loving husband who wanted to support me and care for me.

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LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 17:30

Singleandproud · 02/08/2024 17:27

He may well never accept he has MH problems, but you recognizing it and supporting him stealthily is important too. So don't get angry with the hoarding and shouting at him but dealing with the bits you can yourself and finding a way to support him dealing with the other bits. You could even do it as a Christmas present, get a collection of the things he has collected linked to a theme, holidays for example find out the specific memory and then get the photo and story printed up and bound properly as a book to gift him. Whilst removing the actual items from the house

that's lovely idea x

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LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 17:29

Calliopespa · 02/08/2024 17:17

These are good thoughts op.

To be honest I am not so convinced as others about the abuse from DH. It must have been very hard for him. You have clearly been very volatile and confusing. Yes he has his faults - the hoarding and so forth. But we all have faults.I’m not quite so condemnatory of that sort of fault. I think he has stuck by you through great challenges.

Personally , my suspicion is that your childhood is the knot to untangle here. I think it lay out of sight and circumstances conspired to cause it to erupt. I think you need a fresh therapist and therapy targeted at that part of your life.

yes I entirely agree it has been utterly utterly horrific for him. Not least in that he loves me so much and would never ever have done anything deliberate to harm me. he was so so very proud of the work I was doing and the way id managed to do so well. I don't think either of us knew at all how I was effected by childhood.

I think at the very least childhood produced in me the kind of personality that couldn't see or advocate for my own needs. basically I went trough life never ever wanting to bother anybody with anything and worried I would get 'in trouble'. which eventually got so extreme I became delusional with fear id done something wrong in my thesis.

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Singleandproud · 02/08/2024 17:27

He may well never accept he has MH problems, but you recognizing it and supporting him stealthily is important too. So don't get angry with the hoarding and shouting at him but dealing with the bits you can yourself and finding a way to support him dealing with the other bits. You could even do it as a Christmas present, get a collection of the things he has collected linked to a theme, holidays for example find out the specific memory and then get the photo and story printed up and bound properly as a book to gift him. Whilst removing the actual items from the house

Mirabai · 02/08/2024 17:26

Timinfuckingruislip · 02/08/2024 15:05

But he hasn’t done those things - you’re feeding that narrative.

  • if Op wants music she evidently has access to it - she’s on MN - she can get YouTube/spotify whatever
  • he procrastinated over the blinds - so has OP
  • Op had a job - she could have purchased the desktop computer at that time
  • Op doesn’t work - I’d be questioning the need for a cleaner (but to be honest you’d need to sort the hoarding before getting a cleaner anyway)

Hasn’t done what things? I quoted from the OP.

Of course OP can access music when she’s on MN I’m not saying she can’t but the thing she wanted - presumably in the early days she wanted ITunes, Spotify subscriptions are relatively recent - he blocked.

OP didn’t procrastinate over blinds she got a quote from Hillary’s which her husband blocked.

OP doesn’t work now but she did and it’s then she could have done with a cleaner.

NewFriendlyLadybird · 02/08/2024 17:25

LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 16:12

well the childhood trauma was certainly real. it was very severe although somehow I managed to be extremely high functioning unitil 44. the Phd was insanely stressful and was the immediate trigger fro the breakdown for sure and for complicated reasons.

in my case the therapist is not looking for things that don't exist in relation to my childhood. there was trauma there which no doubt wired my brain to be neurodivergent. and make for an unhealthy dynamic with my husband although I felt so happy at the time with my life as it was so fulfilled with him and my work. it was a very happy relationship in so so many ways. he is a kind and good person.

what the peculiar things that I was exceptionally high functioning all round - socially, professionally, as far as I could do making a beautiful home, entertaining, a charity trustee, travelling internationally multiple times a year. and completing a phd with no corrections over six years without missing a single deadline. it didn't seem like neurodivergnece was holding me back in any way. I never felt overwhelmed at the time and I never consciously felt frustrated with my husband and yet the psychotic breakdown and delusions were so so severe my life was in danger - I mean I believed I was an actual snake for a period of time.

I’m not aware that trauma causes or wires the brain to be neurodivergent. I would be more inclined to think the neurodivergence came first. But I’m not an expert in that area.

As with everyone else I don’t think your therapist is as helpful as you might think.

LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 17:24

Singleandproud · 02/08/2024 17:19

I suggest you go out this evening to the local supermarket or whatevers open and buy something you need but not an essential and something frivolous for yourself.

Buy yourself a book you want to read, a nice bar of chocolate (not the cheapest bar) etc and slowly get used to investing in yourself. Without looking for validation or permission from family or your husband.

Then when you get back to the world of work, book yourself a break a couple of times a year to a hotel of your choosing and start to value yourself

A trip to IKEA or similar for box files to tidy up the magazines, once out of husband's sight you can start to get rid of them. Or just get rid of things that belong to you, you don't need permission or to even mention it, just do it. Start with the old Cosmos just do it, pick them up and put them straight into the recycling bin.

His things are more complex but you need to support him in his MH crisis as he has you if you want to stay together. Taking photos of the objects and printing them out and writing the memory linked to it down in a scrapbook might be a nice activity to do together.

Edited

thanks this is a lovely post and I am trying to do things like this. I have been raising withy husband the possibility of us buying a garden cabin office or shepherds hut which is only for me to go in as I will have money soon from my mums estate. part of the problem is that my husband doesn't see he has any MH problems but I do try to support him - people were concerned when I got unwell because I was the 'rock' in his life.

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LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 17:20

CortieTat · 02/08/2024 17:16

So you have not worked anywhere besides doing your PhD? I understood from your posts that you had a high flying/high earning career before starting your PhD studies.

Returning to academia after such a long break will not be easy, the competition is high and if you’re just after your phd you’ll be starting at the very bottom of the ladder. Not impossible, but the risk that you’ll get stuck in yet another rehash of your glorious past is real.

I misunderstood your posts and thought about the possibility to return to the career you had before your phd, you mentioned you had a senior position somewhere. Having a PhD title certainly helps in getting (back to) senior positions in many fields.

Hi, no Im 52 and I worked as a senior leader in a charity before doing my phd at 38 and then breakdown at 44.

I couldn't return to that exact charity but I have skills in that area that are transferable.

and yes id be starting at the bottom and would be applying for things like Leverhulme that are very competitive. im under no illusions how hard and competitive it is which is one of the reasons I nearly worked myself to death to succeed and network in the field. doing a million other things along with my thesis.

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Singleandproud · 02/08/2024 17:19

I suggest you go out this evening to the local supermarket or whatevers open and buy something you need but not an essential and something frivolous for yourself.

Buy yourself a book you want to read, a nice bar of chocolate (not the cheapest bar) etc and slowly get used to investing in yourself. Without looking for validation or permission from family or your husband.

Then when you get back to the world of work, book yourself a break a couple of times a year to a hotel of your choosing and start to value yourself

A trip to IKEA or similar for box files to tidy up the magazines, once out of husband's sight you can start to get rid of them. Or just get rid of things that belong to you, you don't need permission or to even mention it, just do it. Start with the old Cosmos just do it, pick them up and put them straight into the recycling bin.

His things are more complex but you need to support him in his MH crisis as he has you if you want to stay together. Taking photos of the objects and printing them out and writing the memory linked to it down in a scrapbook might be a nice activity to do together.

Calliopespa · 02/08/2024 17:17

LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 17:02

I would like to rebuild my career - I cared very much about my research. I am a sociologist and it was in the field of helping marginalised people, I specialise in the class system in the UK.

my CV is pretty stellar however in my discipline its basically crisis at the moment. whole departments shutting down and I have many colleagues who have been made redundant.

Part of the reason fro the breakdown is that I published quite a lot prior to submission so I do have some publications under my belt.

I want to find a way somehow to rebuild our marriage as it was the most lovely joyful thing in my life. I could see any faults prior to the breakdown only the good bits.

my therapist tries to get me to do anything to get unstuck and move forward in some way. imagine how beaten down my poor husband is with all this on a loop all the time. I hope we can find a way to recover.

I have my thesis that I could seek to publish as a book as it would not need much alteration. that would be needed I think to get into the academic game agin. I would like to renovate our house or move to a different one after such terrible things have happened to us here.

These are good thoughts op.

To be honest I am not so convinced as others about the abuse from DH. It must have been very hard for him. You have clearly been very volatile and confusing. Yes he has his faults - the hoarding and so forth. But we all have faults.I’m not quite so condemnatory of that sort of fault. I think he has stuck by you through great challenges.

Personally , my suspicion is that your childhood is the knot to untangle here. I think it lay out of sight and circumstances conspired to cause it to erupt. I think you need a fresh therapist and therapy targeted at that part of your life.

CortieTat · 02/08/2024 17:16

LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 17:02

I would like to rebuild my career - I cared very much about my research. I am a sociologist and it was in the field of helping marginalised people, I specialise in the class system in the UK.

my CV is pretty stellar however in my discipline its basically crisis at the moment. whole departments shutting down and I have many colleagues who have been made redundant.

Part of the reason fro the breakdown is that I published quite a lot prior to submission so I do have some publications under my belt.

I want to find a way somehow to rebuild our marriage as it was the most lovely joyful thing in my life. I could see any faults prior to the breakdown only the good bits.

my therapist tries to get me to do anything to get unstuck and move forward in some way. imagine how beaten down my poor husband is with all this on a loop all the time. I hope we can find a way to recover.

I have my thesis that I could seek to publish as a book as it would not need much alteration. that would be needed I think to get into the academic game agin. I would like to renovate our house or move to a different one after such terrible things have happened to us here.

So you have not worked anywhere besides doing your PhD? I understood from your posts that you had a high flying/high earning career before starting your PhD studies.

Returning to academia after such a long break will not be easy, the competition is high and if you’re just after your phd you’ll be starting at the very bottom of the ladder. Not impossible, but the risk that you’ll get stuck in yet another rehash of your glorious past is real.

I misunderstood your posts and thought about the possibility to return to the career you had before your phd, you mentioned you had a senior position somewhere. Having a PhD title certainly helps in getting (back to) senior positions in many fields.

Mirabai · 02/08/2024 17:16

inamarina · 02/08/2024 15:04

I’ve read all of her posts too. It seems like her husband has his own mental health issues.
The fact that things like his “hoarding” (unsure about the extent of it) are creating stress for OP doesn’t automatically make him abusive in my opinion. I’m sure you’ll disagree though.
Another poster described it well using the example of booking more or less expensive hotel rooms.
In every relationship you can find certain behaviours that could be framed as abuse if you start including things like asking “do we really need new towels”.

We can agree he has mental health issues. I didn’t say the hoarding itself was abusive, but when controlling behaviours extend to controlling someone else’s life that is a form of emotional abuse. And the effect on OP is to contribute to stress, distress and discomfort in her life, and to her mental health difficulties.

LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 17:14

does anybody know what SS will be likely to actually do in the light of all this?

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LucyLoo1972 · 02/08/2024 17:13

PuddlesPityParty · 02/08/2024 16:55

Well no you didn’t because you only spoke about a radio. Seriously OP you’re going to have to take some responsibility.

I do take responsibility and I blame myself all the time because I don't believe this suffering was necessary. and believe me it was extreme. I have long term physical damage because of things that happened in the psychosis.

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