to ask why people still do not believe that Islamophobia doesn’t exist and therefore doesn’t need an official definition?

I don't agree with the reasoning that primary aged girls need to be modest and time will tell if those attitudes played a part in a TS dance class being chosen for mass murder

I think the first post perfectly demonstrates your point OP?

YANBU 💐

People aren’t moving to this country because they admire our culture. They move here because of our largely lawful Christian based society. There’s much more corruption and fewer opportunities in their own countries.
As the previous poster said people feel helpless - 700,000 immigrants a year is preposterous.
Racism will most likely get worse.

What's the point of labelling the hatred and violence? These people almost use it as a badge of honour these days and don't care about admitting they're racist, homophobic, antisemitic or whatever.
In fact they revel in it and it won't change a thing.
People are angry. They're angry about their own lives and struggles and feel insecure about their place in their own world.
Its convenient to target their anger towards Muslims.
I don't actually blame people for this anger. They feel helpless. Their environment is changing rapidly and the government is not listening to them but targeting a community who mostly just want to get on with their lives quietly is wrong.
Muslims never wanted to be in any spotlight but unfortunately, the deviant and criminals from those communities and the media reporting of it made sure that whole communities are vilified.

I feel so incredibly sad this is what Muslims need to deal with in this country. I can't imagine how frightening and horrible it must feel to have so much hatred and ignorance directed at yourself, your family and your community. There are so many misconceptions about Islam and Muslim people. You just need to read some of the replies on this thread.

I agree with you. The government need to bring legislation in against Islamophobia. In my view, there is no other religion, belief or group of people who are on the receiving end of so much hatred and ignorance as Muslims are at the moment. Southport is the perfect example of this. We have had a government who has allowed hatred and ignorance to fester with leaders who almost condone it with their views and policies and this has culminated in the events of the beginning of this week. Social media was whipped into a frenzy for the racist and ignorant who used violence under the guise of protest to spread their hatred against a group that had nothing to do with the atrocities in the first place.

Nobody is asking you to accept it. Nobody is asking you to cover your head or your children’s head, the point is that whatever you feel doesn’t warrant the level of hatred that Muslims always get. Where are the good points? Why are you only focusing on the negatives? You can’t judge a whole religion based on one singular thing and for what it’s worth, as a Muslim, I also don’t agree with children covering their heads until they’re at an age where they can understand why and make their own decisions about it.

however, your ignorance is exactly what the OP is talking about. There is a passage in the bible that also tells wives to submit to their husbands, so why is your disgust (or so it comes across) only reserved for Muslims? And that’s part of the Islamophobia that’s being spoken about.

Educate yourself. Religions are so much more than one singular thing, all religions are and ignorance isn’t an excuse in this day and age.

Bull fucking shit, they are not tolerant. I've had my nose broken for "being a goth", been spat at in the face several times, been slapped in the face in the street, had someone rub a burger all over my face, been chased several times with my heart absolutely racing with fear, I've been pulled backwards by my hair. I was egged from a passing car while heavily pregnant. People here are not fucking tolerant. I am 34. The disgust towards my appearance is still happening. What I have described is nowhere near what people up and down the country experience due to racism.
Now we're in balaclava thug land. I physically turn my head away from them walking down the street with my daughter so that they won't spot me and target us. We can't go shopping in our local town centre because balaclavas on bikes are daily assaulting "normal" people and the police can't control how widespread it is even there, nevermind across our region. Our biggest park, people are wary of going to, especially after dark. Merseyside. And the town centre is Birkenhead. Friends of mine have had to get dentures fitted after a thug punched out their front teeth. For looking different.
Tolerant my arse. I’m sorry for the long response but there is no fucking way I can let that slide without speaking up.
Do not assume that the whole of the UK is tolerant. I hope I've made it clear that it is not. This isn’t just a problem here, it's all over.

Paedophiles exist everywhere. Within all communities. What makes you think they are restricted to white, balding, middle age men? What a peculiar post.

Just an aside to the general thread but I hate 'modest' too. Both my grandmothers were modest women, I never saw either of them wear trousers.

My nan would cover her head in church.

Ideas about modesty are cultural.

OP

To go back to your original post I think it is a form of racism. I say this because when someone says 'muslim' in this country they generally don't think of a white person.

On of my colleagues was shocked when I said the Kosovan girls in the class were muslim. And she was muslim herself.

But to return to the OP,,, what happened in Southport was horrific. What then happened is that a vocal group whipped everyone into a frenzy on Twitter that the perpetrator was from the Muslim community. And further that they should therefore attack a mosque. These people are clearly not bright and prone to hatred and violence. They exist in all societies and all walks of life. They are not representative of the population. And, yes, laws should exist to protect anyone from violence.

The only people who deny Islamophia is a thing are Islamophibic or benefit from Islamophobia. Racists, xenophobes etc.

Most people know what it means.

YANBU @AdvicePleas.

I am not a Muslim and am not religious but Islamaphobia is there and it is real. I live in London and it makes me so mad when people refer to it as Londonistan and I see that more often than I should on the socials. I have never once come across any Muslim person that has caused me any issues. It doesn't mean there are no issues within the community but there are issues within all communities.
I'd love to have the guts to tell people who are currently 'protesting' that most convicted paedophiles and wife beaters in this country are white, balding and middle aged men like them so that must make them a paedophile and wife beater, they would tell me I am ridiculous. Yet, it would literally be no different to what they are doing.

Me too it's not a phobia it's more of a hatred.

It definitely does there are plans to build an islamic prayer centre near where I live. The majority of the comments on the local news site are positive. There's just a minority that are ignorant. Some comment from a fake Facebook page But each time there's an article about it there's hundreds of comments. Which would only usually happen if it's a high profile case or issue.

There are quite a few staff who work at the local hospital who are Muslim. As well as business owners and staff that work in the business and their families. There's always the usual why can't they just use an old church?🙄

Then there's the odd time there's an ethnic SO. Not many comments if the SO is white British. But any other nationality there's a huge debate. A SO is a SO no matter what race they are.

I just think a working definition would offer more protection OP. It would also mean that it would be taken more seriously. I don't think the term islamophobia is serious or precise enough to describe the abuse Muslims face. And it's everywhere, implicit in media like the DM, freely voiced by an ex PM, now energised by the far right groups who stirred up false rumours around the awful events in Southport.

I think working towards a definition of anti-Muslim prejudice would be a very good thing. Islamophobia implies a fear of islam, to me. From what I see the prejudice is not based on fear, but hatred. It is not only about a religion, but about the colour of people's skin, their different culture, their dress. I think I cross posted with @Bergmum

Again, insults. Because you cannot argue against the point that it’s a cultural issue rather than a religious one, you resort to insults. How mature of you.

No wonder you won’t engage any further because you know very well you can’t back up your claim.

Good night.

Omg @MrsBrightsidde you just keep contradicting yourself

You literally inferred on you previous post that Sikh and Hindus have forced marriages with regards to my PP

Are you drunk ? You are all over the place with your replies

It's too nonsensical for me to engage with you further

It is late so if I misunderstood your post, apologies.

I’ll be heading to bed before I get too carried away on this thread. I know exactly which direction it’s going to head in so best save my sanity.

Well it doesn't help that many Muslim women and their children do not integrate even now with members of their community

DC not allowed to parties with their school friends they've been invited to

Muslim mothers never going on mum nights out when invited

It's really sad actually

Obviously this is not always the case but very common nevertheless