to ask why people still do not believe that Islamophobia doesn’t exist and therefore doesn’t need an official definition?

And someone linked to one of those X posts on Mumsnet

I am terrified of Islamic extremism, but then I was on the tube during 7/7, and had colleagues and friends in the twin towers. You can tell me it was an inside job too if you like, doesn’t change my complete fear of backs packs on the tube. Do I hate Muslims, absolutely not, I spend Eid with friends and family.

What I hate is racism, and culture clashes, no respect for host countries, their codes of conduct, and lack of rights for women, I don’t like entitlement and refusal to contribute to society, that goes for governments too as they are a lot of the time the cause of civil unrest.

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what is your source for 90% of terror attacks being done by Muslims? I would love to see your stats

I don’t assume I asked a Muslim woman to join a group of mums on a night out and she told me Muslims couldn’t drink.
Was I supposed to tell her she was completely wrong?

have you done a study and have any solid statistics? no? are you relying on your personal experience?
what a surprise!
a lot of Muslim women and their DC go out, socialise etc.etc.

no one is asking you to accept Islam. you are free to believe what you want and others are free to believe what they want.
Islam absolutely does not treat women as second class citizens, quite the opposite. Muslims obviously have issues with misogyny, as do people of all backgrounds.

the majority of mosques in the country are run by old men who are playing village politics and they don't just exclude women, they exclude the whole community.

plenty of mosques were open to women during covid, except when they were totally closed to everyone. perhaps you should worry more about paedophilia in the Catholic church than a few old men getting power trips on being on control of mosque committees?

depends on the country.

also just because a country has a lot of Muslims or calls itself islamic Republic of so and so doesn't make it islamic.

for eg. saudi is the most unislamic I can think of in the world. they say they have shariah laws, they don't. the basis of their existence is against fundamental islamic principals.

there is no country in the world as of right now that is an "islamic country"

why do you assume Muslim women are "not allowed" to come out for a drink?
they choose not to if they are practising Muslims
me or any of the women I know don't need anyone's permission to do anything. we go wherever the fuck we want.

I think its because if they define it they'll have so much to deal with the police won't cope

Why does someone covering their face upset you so much ?

there are no caliphate anywhere in the world.
there hasn't been a caliphate for the last 1200+ years
ignorance around Islam is so prevalent. thanks to tabloid media and them co-opting random islamic terms and using them totally outside of context

lots of non Muslim women don’t want to come for a drink either: because they don’t drink. Seriously, the racism on here during tonight/ this morning is staggering

In my circle, I don’t hear of specific Islamaphobia. I do hear of genuine concern that the treatment of women in that religion is incompatible with the British way of life. That would include women covering their faces.

I don’t care what religion someone chooses to follow privately but I feel publicly we should all rub along where we choose to live and I don’t always see that happening.

this is the issue.

But how do you get to know ordinary Muslim women when they keep themselves to themselves, only want to mix with their own community, not allowed to come out for a drink etc?
It all adds to the feeling that they are different which scares people. Add this to the fact that there are some Muslim extremists who seem to hate Britain and want to destroy our culture. Can you really not see why people are wary of Muslims?

I don't like the word Islamophobia as it implies a fear of something. What we are seeing needs to be called out as hate.

So what is life like for people that live in Islamic countries? Are they perfectly happy and free to do what they want and men and women and children are treated fairly and being of a different culture/background/social class/ sexualising orientation/religion are all treated well and accepted by the other communities living there?

If so great, if not then how is it any different to what people say about Britain and the British?

My late father, a Holocaust survivor, loved telling this joke: "In a small town in east Europe, shortly before Passover, a murdered child's body was found. The Jews gathered in the synagogue, fearful of a blood libel pogrom, and prayed. SUddenly a member of the congregation burst in, and cried out: Fear not! Praise the Lord! The child was Jewish!"

Reading this thread reminds me of that book 'Why I'm not longer talking to white people about race'. It's underlining for me the lack of empathy and willingness to distort/ignore the truth to perpetuate prejudice against Muslims. This is what will make the community more isolated and insular, not less.

There are good and bad people in every community; of course, all ideologies should be allowed to be held under scrutiny, but surely it's only fair to do so when it's a debate rather than a one sided affair on talk TV or the house of Lords where lies spurious use of statistics can go unchallenged.

I hear you OP, you are not alone.

Semitic tribes include Arabs, so the word anti-semitic is far from ideal if you think only about Jews.

It's different in different places.

I grew up in a Northern town where there is a significant Pakistani community and a less significant Bengali community, usually referred to together as 'Asian'.

The different communities just didn't mix. There is a lot of mistrust because people didn't necessarily understand others. And it was / is that way. But it is not about religion, the Christians in the Asian community are treated the same as Muslims.

https://www.asianimage.co.uk/news/2114602.the-forgotten-community/#:~:text=There%20are%20over%20300%20families,actually%20known%20of%20this%20community.

I now live in Wolverhampton and it is very mixed. There are areas with more Indian shops but people mix at school and at work and socially. If you go to buy something from the sweet centre you are as likely to be queing with a Polish person as you are someone speaking Punjabi or Urdu.

When I visit my dad back in the northern town I notice something I can't quite put my finger on. Eg I was shopping with my dad, the young woman on the till was wearing hijab and had a beautiful slide pin. I said I thought it was lovely and she smiled and said 'thank you' but there was a moment's hesitation, as if ... well I can't exactly describe it, it was like, 'does not compute', white person complimenting me.

Sorry I'm not explaining it well.

Immigration was never a political topic two decade again, its because of successive governments willingness to allow mass migration which has caused civil unrest. Unfortunately, there are rumours the Southport murderer was a converted Muslim.

I am not racist to say I am concerned about Islam, many people are but scared to say in real life.

Stop spreading unsubstantiated rumours. Can you imagine how difficult it must be to be Muslim in the UK just now because some people just want to blame them for everything

I don’t think the UK is tolerant tbh. It may be in more affluent areas but once you reach deprived rundown towns it’s a different ball game. Rochdale, Bolton, Oldham etc.

The country at the minute feels like a massive pot of boiling water ready to pop the lid off. I don’t know what the solution is, but I feel sorry for anyone facing abuse and prejudice now.