to ask why people still do not believe that Islamophobia doesn’t exist and therefore doesn’t need an official definition?

Islamophobia is like antisemitism in that there's a line between legitimate criticism and bigotry, but people disagree where the line is.

Since 2000 in the UK there have been 97 terrorist (defined in law) murders. In 94 cases the murderers were Muslims.

Am I phobic about the kind of extreme Islamism that encourages terrorist activity? Hell yes, I'm terrified. Am I afraid or prejudiced against ordinary people who happen to be Muslim? No, they're just like me, they want quiet peaceful lives with their family and friends just like I do.

In the same way there are people who have no beef at all with Jews but strongly disagree with what Israel is doing to combat Hamas in Gaza. The latest Gazan death toll stands at 40,000 Palestinians. Are people right to be angry about that? Yes. But does that extend to denying Israel's right to be a state and protect its citizens? Well most decent people would say no, but some say yes, and that's where the line gets crossed.

So, it's complicated, is what I'm saying. Extremism is something we should all fear, but there are some few bad actors on all sides (British EDL, Israeli, Islamic) who are extreme and it's sad and frightening that us moderate people end up being whipped into a state of discord.

I think we should all try to stay moderate in our discussions on these subjects and not pander to extremism.

My point is that people aren’t scared of a current terrorist attack from a member of any of those religions. For good reason.

All religions have committed atrocities, but Islam actively promotes terrorist attacks against those who don’t believe what they do, hence the high number of Muslim terrorist attacks and precisely why people are scared of Muslim terrorist attacks.

all the religions you mentioned have committed plenty of terrorist acts. but there is no point engaging with someone like you

In the UK in the last 20 years?

absolutely agreed.

all the religions you mentioned have committed plenty of terrorist acts. but there is no point engaging with someone like you.
It's not name calling when it's fact.

I’d say most women feel intimidated being around drunk men, that’s isn’t a view held exclusively by Muslim women. In fact drunk women can be intimidating, and it depends what sort of pubs you’re referring to, but yes I agree with what you’re saying .

We don’t know that the Southport murderer wasn’t Muslim. There are quite a few Rwandan people converting to Islam from Christianity. It’s possible he was and possible that he had been radicalised in some way. We just don’t know and should not be making any assumptions at this point.

to be honest, I disagree with the OP. I don't think defining or not defining won't change a thing.
look at this thread, and the views posted on here. hate, ignorance, fear.
and this is the result of decades of anti Muslim, anti Islam rhetoric in the media. can't be undone by changing definition. the only way this will change (and I say this as a conservative muslim) will -

1. Muslims need to proactively engage with their community
2. Muslims need to actually start acting like Muslims (improve our character, more neighbourly, contributing more to the community, embodying the virtues of our faith)
3. there needs to be more education around muslims/Islam in school and for general public
4. More community initiatives for interfaith (including people who are agnostics/atheists) events to promote greater understanding

We already have hate crime and hate speech laws which include religion.

People aren’t scared of terrorist attacks from Hindus or Christians or Jews or Buddhists or Sikhs.

They’re afraid of them from Muslims. For a reason.

It’s an uncomfortable truth, but it’s the truth none the less. Throwing names around doesn’t change that.

There should be one set of standards in society, which applies equally to everyone.

Religious people should be free to practice and equally, expected to respect the laws and customs of the land. I think Islam needs to stop expecting protection from criticism and discussion, while also being insular and holding itself apart from Western society. Yes of course that is a generalisation but it appears to be something which is causing tension. People don't fear the familiar and integrated.

I will not use the term Islamophobic as it is a silly term, which belittles people who may have genuine concerns. I am phobic of sharks, I'm not a fan of religion.

exactly
and sometimes its possible to make plans to include a sober friend and maybe go somewhere that serves alcohol but has a few more options for the people not drinking.
I think a lot of Muslim women feel intimidated being around drunk men and a lot of Muslim men and women feel uncomfortable being in pubs because they simply haven't grown up in that culture. or just don't enjoy it.

Why were you pushing them on the swings? Are you a relative?

This has been totally driven by the media.
Think the British state is now treating Muslims how they treated Catholics 300 years ago. Used to kill us and imprison us and ban us and hang draw and quarter our priests.

Coming back to the point of the thread-defining Islamophobia-is there an internationally recognised definition as the ihra definition of antisemitism? Or a nationally agreed/proposed one? I looked for one because of an issue that came up at work (I'm not Muslim btw, but this issue is v relevant in my role). I couldn't find a definition, and it's actually pretty difficult to define in a meaningful way, beyond say 'acts aimed at a person who is or is perceived to be Muslim which are motivated by their religion'. And that example is pretty crap (just me giving a possible example). For instance those acts could be positive. You also probably want to just make it criminal offences motivated by Islamaphobia. But we have that legislation already. You're right-a definition would help-probably one like the ihra definition with examples, but it's actually really hard and prob needs to come from the Muslim community.
If you know of a definition genuinely I'd like to see it.

You don’t know that.

There’s lots of abuse in the culture precisely because it promotes that.

Wtf?

Would anyone exclude their sober friend, or someone in AA. My sober friends would be mightily pissed off to not be invited out because they’re detoxing, recovering alcoholic, or whatever.

yes practisingMuslims don't drink. but she chooses to follow that. no one is locking her at home forcing her not to go for drinks. that is just her choice.
some Muslims still go out for drinks (but have a non alcoholic drink), others are more observant.

lol unhelpful but lol

I think there is a double negative in your title.

I've looked at the stats and the hatred towards Muslims is far far more prevalent than antisemitism (not that it diminishes the seriousness of antisemitism ofc). disclaimer I don't remember how the number looks when considered in the context of population ratios

Forgot to add I had ancestors in the crusades too…probably both sides going by 23 and me.