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To having been born in the 1970s and see how much the world has changed?

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Deeperthantheocean · 01/08/2024 23:23

Yes, so a '70s child so have lived through everything beyond the days of MN world, with advice and experiences of parents and grandparents.

I feel so fortunate to have embraced technology. I am in awe of how the world has been revolutionised it as mostly to the greater good of mankind in many ways.

Just from a personal perspective, I feel it's so sad that the school playgrounds we used to go to to play the sports with our friends are all now barricaded, the youth clubs we went to and had a 10p drink and 12p bag of crisps for a night our aged 13, also the innocent early 1980s school discos we did just dance and had fun with our dowdy outfits. My Mum made me a rara skirt from an old skirt to look more modern, amazing talent among so many others.

So, back to my title, oh boy the works has changed so much! My generation knows how much our parents' generation had it hard and those before then so much harder. Poverty was working to be able to work and buy food on rations, that was women also.

Now we do generally have to work as parents but please don't forget our Mums and grandmother's also did, but after looking after children. Unsociable hours, after hours, basically anytime husbands were home to listen out for anything.

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AinmEile · 02/08/2024 14:14

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taxguru · 02/08/2024 14:11

I think one good thing of the 70s (and 80s) was adult education. "Adults" had a massive choice of local college/Poly courses, not just for trades, but also hobbies/crafts, professions, office work, sports, etc. Evening classes, day release, etc was very common and available to all. Lots of courses were heavily discounted and often in numerous locations making them accessible.

I studied for my O levels, A levels and chartered accountancy qualification between our local college of FE (within a mile of home), a Poly just 30 minutes away and another college about an hour away (for my accountancy finals).

My OH did extra O levels to allow him to change careers in his 30's by evening classes.

My mother studied and qualified as a teacher by doing evening classes at a local college (again within a mile of her home!), in her 30s after having children.

Thinking back, in our small seaside town, we had three colleges doing adult education courses, and the nearby small city also had 3 or 4 colleges. There were also adult education courses in other places (mostly for hobby/craft/sports) in places like school/church halls, local school sports centres/swimming pools, etc.

We'd get a booklet twice a year prepared by the local council with a full list of adult education courses, with timings/duration, cost, location, etc. It was really pushed and encouraged.

With the advent of Blair's 50% stupidity, all educational resources are now thrown at 16-21 year olds, whether university, apprenticeships, or basic life skills learnings. Yes, there are "some" things that adults can participate in, but they're now very limited.

Such a shame that a, literally, World leading adult education system was just flushed down the toilet in the 90s and 00s! And boy, are we feeling the repercussions now!

Sethera · 02/08/2024 14:09

HowardTJMoon · 02/08/2024 14:00

I'm not sure about the restrictions on content being tighter, they were just different. Sure, The Sex Pistols saying "fuck" offended many people, but it didn't dehumanise whole classes of people the way that the rampant racism, sexism and homophobia did.

If I had to choose between my DCs watching Sex Education or Bernard Manning, I'm not going to choose the racist.

Naturally you would, as would most people in 2024. What I'm saying is that in 1974, the majority opinion would have been different.

taxguru · 02/08/2024 14:02

@Sethera

The moral compass is not fixed - it swings with the majority. The fact that 70s TV aligned with what the majority thought was acceptable at the time doesn't make it bad TV.

Nail on the head. I fully agree with that.

HowardTJMoon · 02/08/2024 14:00

I'm not sure about the restrictions on content being tighter, they were just different. Sure, The Sex Pistols saying "fuck" offended many people, but it didn't dehumanise whole classes of people the way that the rampant racism, sexism and homophobia did.

If I had to choose between my DCs watching Sex Education or Bernard Manning, I'm not going to choose the racist.

Cattyisbatty · 02/08/2024 13:59

I was born in the early 70s. My mum stayed at home until I went to school and worked part time until she died! I also did the same (apart from the dying part 😉). My dad changed my nappies as did dh change our DCs - the only thing my dad didn’t do was cook, but he washed up and hoovered. I’d say the division of Labour was much the same.
Obviously prices have rocketed, and it’s harder to get on the housing ladder. But more people now are educated, my DPs and PIL’s education was disrupted by WW2 whereas Dh and I have degrees and our DCs are students.
Re music - I have no idea what’s going on these days but myDCs love music - gigs are live and kicking - it’s def not a homogenous mess (maybe that’s mainstream but they’re not in to mainstream).
Internet / has its good and bad points.

Sethera · 02/08/2024 13:55

HowardTJMoon · 02/08/2024 13:30

Mind Your Language, The Black and White Minstrel Show, Benny Hill, On The Buses, It Ain't Half Hot, Mum, Jim Davidson, Bernard Manning etc telling racist "jokes" on prime-time TV, anything that even hinted at homosexuality being treated as a joke at best or an outrage at worst, people being horrified when there was a BLACK WOMAN reading the news!!??!...

It wasn't all Fawlty Towers and The Good Life.

Edited

But on the other hand, there were far tighter restrictions on the kind of content deemed offensive then, to which attitudes have now relaxed. Think of the scandal when Johnny Rotten said the word 'fuck' on TV. Explicit sexual content was far rarer. Now, swearing and sex are commonplace on TV, yet there are still people who'd be offended by that content.

In 50 years' time I expect people will be talking about how offensive the TV of 2024 was (I leave it to your imagination what might be unacceptable by then).

The moral compass is not fixed - it swings with the majority. The fact that 70s TV aligned with what the majority thought was acceptable at the time doesn't make it bad TV.

x2boys · 02/08/2024 13:53

researchers3 · 02/08/2024 09:18

I was born in the mid 70s and remember when Snaps crisps were 6p and 7p!

It was a weird decade. My mum was a very hands off parent! She had no idea where i was half the time.

I think the 90s was the best decade by miles. I'm sad my kids aren't having an Internet-free childhood. In some ways anyway.

I was born in 1973 and i m guessing I'm a couple of years older than you
I agree the 90 s waa the best decade but I think that, s because I was young and care free and had no responsibility.

PassingStranger · 02/08/2024 13:52

lavenderlou · 01/08/2024 23:42

I was born in the 70s. Some things were better - a lot of things were worse. It's normal to look back on your childhood with rose-tinted glasses. My DC have had some experiences that were very similar to my childhood (toys, books, holidays, activities) and things that are very different, especially technology.

Some things were terrible in the 70s though - women were for the most part still very dependent on men, there was a lot of neglectful parenting, schools were pretty rubbish - especially if you had any additional needs. Im

People didn't seem to move their boyfriends in and stand back or join in while he killed the kids though.

x2boys · 02/08/2024 13:48

Deeperthantheocean · 01/08/2024 23:23

Yes, so a '70s child so have lived through everything beyond the days of MN world, with advice and experiences of parents and grandparents.

I feel so fortunate to have embraced technology. I am in awe of how the world has been revolutionised it as mostly to the greater good of mankind in many ways.

Just from a personal perspective, I feel it's so sad that the school playgrounds we used to go to to play the sports with our friends are all now barricaded, the youth clubs we went to and had a 10p drink and 12p bag of crisps for a night our aged 13, also the innocent early 1980s school discos we did just dance and had fun with our dowdy outfits. My Mum made me a rara skirt from an old skirt to look more modern, amazing talent among so many others.

So, back to my title, oh boy the works has changed so much! My generation knows how much our parents' generation had it hard and those before then so much harder. Poverty was working to be able to work and buy food on rations, that was women also.

Now we do generally have to work as parents but please don't forget our Mums and grandmother's also did, but after looking after children. Unsociable hours, after hours, basically anytime husbands were home to listen out for anything.

I was a 70,s baby too and my parents had a much higher standard of living than I do .

Rummly · 02/08/2024 13:45

HowardTJMoon · 02/08/2024 13:30

Mind Your Language, The Black and White Minstrel Show, Benny Hill, On The Buses, It Ain't Half Hot, Mum, Jim Davidson, Bernard Manning etc telling racist "jokes" on prime-time TV, anything that even hinted at homosexuality being treated as a joke at best or an outrage at worst, people being horrified when there was a BLACK WOMAN reading the news!!??!...

It wasn't all Fawlty Towers and The Good Life.

Edited

Very, very true. There were some appalling attitudes then.

And, as PPs have said, strikes and powercuts.

My personal favourite crappy - but unimportant - thing was not being able to buy stamps except at the Post Office or in funny little machines attached to pillar boxes.

But I cling to the misty-eyed bits. Thank you for reminding me that liberalisation has worked wonders! 👍

HowardTJMoon · 02/08/2024 13:30

Rummly · 02/08/2024 13:12

Policewoman, The Onedin Line, proper Dr Who, The Professionals, The Persuaders, Captain Pugwash etc etc.

The world’s gone downhill ever since.

Mind Your Language, The Black and White Minstrel Show, Benny Hill, On The Buses, It Ain't Half Hot, Mum, Jim Davidson, Bernard Manning etc telling racist "jokes" on prime-time TV, anything that even hinted at homosexuality being treated as a joke at best or an outrage at worst, people being horrified when there was a BLACK WOMAN reading the news!!??!...

It wasn't all Fawlty Towers and The Good Life.

Rummly · 02/08/2024 13:12

Policewoman, The Onedin Line, proper Dr Who, The Professionals, The Persuaders, Captain Pugwash etc etc.

The world’s gone downhill ever since.

MrsCarson · 02/08/2024 12:58

Persiancouscous · 01/08/2024 23:48

Everyone striked in the 70s, power cuts, no bin collections etc.

Poverty were people didn't have carpets, shoes, nicked each others milk.

Everyone smoked, the average age of death was much younger.

Ira and bombings/ shootings

Sounds like a dream 😂

Yes that was my teenage years. Bloody depressing.

BunnyLake · 02/08/2024 12:21

MiseryIn · 02/08/2024 12:02

@BunnyLake
Yes that all happened in the 80s but the OP stated she was a 70s child and talked about 80s school discos so I suppose she's of an age with me.

Sounds like you had a colourful and varied time (not all good though 😯), unlike my rather dry, Catholic one 😁

MiseryIn · 02/08/2024 12:02

@BunnyLake
Yes that all happened in the 80s but the OP stated she was a 70s child and talked about 80s school discos so I suppose she's of an age with me.

BunnyLake · 02/08/2024 11:47

MiseryIn · 02/08/2024 08:55

I was born in the 70s and was getting pissed up in fields at 14. Most of us lost our virginity way before 16. Smoking at about 12 and tried cocaine at 17. Was groomed and used by a 45 year old bloke and his mates at 17.

Yes some aspects were good but honestly I think you were lucky if your youth really was that innocent.

The kids today know a lot more about consent and boundaries. Yes there are issues with social media but at least they are safer.

That’s a very different 70s to the one I had 😯

Wouldn’t that have been the 80s for you?

Newbutoldfather · 02/08/2024 10:38

@Deeperthantheocean ,

‘There was a lot more inequality and things have changed so much for the better in many ways.’

I am not sure I agree with that. There was a lot more inequality based on sex and race, a lot less on wealth. I think there was far more social mobility then.

Covid was the worst time with some children isolated in large houses and gardens, with live in maids and bespoke lessons zoomed from private schools and others stuck in a couple of sweaty rooms with close to zero education and maybe abusive parents.

Also the 80s were a time of massive progress for women’s rights. When I went to Uni in the 80s my female friends all had total equality and all started at some of the best grad trainee programs in the country. And relationships tended to be based on equality and mutual respect. As you met fewer potential partners (nothing online) you focused on who you were with, not a smorgasbord of possibilities. And sex was more ‘normal’, no weird internet porn normalising weird fetishes.

We all idealise our youth (assuming it was decent) but I do think the internet has been damaging in many ways.

alwayscrashinginthesamecar1 · 02/08/2024 10:29

I was born in the late 60s. It was NI so it wasn't exactly the best of times. I remember bombs and shootings, and our neighbour checking his car each morning for car bombs. I also remember the emergency alerts on the TV telling keyholders to go back to their shops to check for incendiary devices and going to the shop with my mum to check for them. My parents split up when I was eight, single parenthood was highly stigmatised, people could be very unpleasant about it. I had a job from thirteen years old, and started going to nightclubs at fifteen, I remember a lot of sleazy older men trying to pick up young girls. I also remember a lot of boredom, especially Sunday, getting my first ZX Spectrum was extremely exciting! The 80s were good fun, the music was fantastic! I moved to London in the 90s, that was incredible fun, the rave scene was an absolute blast. But on balance I have a much better life now, it is fun to look back but its easy to have rose-tinted specs. I do think its amazing that my grandparents didn't have indoor plumbing until the 70s (and my grand mother had ten kids!), and now we have the internet and robot vacuum cleaners and AI. It makes me wish I could see what things will be like in another fifty years.

tuvamoodyson · 02/08/2024 10:27

ForGreyKoala · 02/08/2024 10:20

I was born at the end of the 50s and I loved the 70s. Would go back in a heartbeat.

Me too! Fabulous decade for me! My formative years, loved every second of it!

Notellinganyone · 02/08/2024 10:21

I’m a bit older than you, born mid 60s and I get really fed up with this nostalgic view that leaves out so many things. A few examples: rape in marriage only finally made illegal in 70s, ditto women being able to get mortgages in their own names, endemic unchallenged sexism in most institutions from school onwards and many more things. Of course we face many and different challenges now but it wasn’t all sunshine and ginger beer.

Mrsjayy · 02/08/2024 10:20

taxguru · 02/08/2024 09:42

@Deeperthantheocean

Now we do generally have to work as parents but please don't forget our Mums and grandmother's also did, but after looking after children. Unsociable hours, after hours, basically anytime husbands were home to listen out for anything.

I was born in the 60s and my mother always worked, so don't know where you got the idea that mothers didn't go out to work? From what I remember of my school friends in the 60s and 70s, plenty of mothers went out to work. I think there's a bit of "rose tinted" glasses going on here maybe overestimating the number of mothers who were lucky enough not to have to work??

Women in my family worked my Grandmother's Mum Aunties all had jobs.

ForGreyKoala · 02/08/2024 10:20

BrigadierEtienneGerard · 02/08/2024 08:54

I was born in the mid-50s.
My memory of the 70s is it was "the decade style forgot" and politically and work-wise a total shit storm.
Glad they're gone.

I was born at the end of the 50s and I loved the 70s. Would go back in a heartbeat.

BunnyLake · 02/08/2024 10:10

Deeperthantheocean · 02/08/2024 09:39

There was a lot more inequality and things have changed so much for the better in many ways.

Yes rose tinted glasses maybe, but life was simpler because most people didn't have much and made to. Xx

It was simpler in some ways but I personally found life then much harder than I do now. Not because my finances are better (they’re not particularly) but there’s far more access to support and advice than there was then (thanks to our double edged internet).

There are much stronger boundaries in place now against sexual harassment, verbal bullying, financial abuse etc. On one hand the internet is poison but on the other it can open doors to all sorts of positive things. If I had been able to access the internet then I’d probably have been able to find better career paths, get support for bullying at school and work etc and just generally learn about things I just couldn’t then (unless I waded through reference books in libraries).

I know people who look back very nostalgically at the 70s but to me it seemed as dingy and grim as you see on old film footage.

taxguru · 02/08/2024 09:48

Startingagainandagain · 02/08/2024 09:37

I am going to disagree.

I was born in 1970 and I had a lot issues that would be easier to address today: poor mental health (I am neurodivergent), bullying at school and abusive parents who thought it was fine to hit me in the face. My father was racist, misogynist and violent.

At least nowadays there is much more awareness of these issues and support for kids who are going through that.

If I had had the internet as a kid I could have sought and accessed support more easily.

The only think I miss when looking back is the music of the 90s! beyond that I am happy in the present.

Edited

Yes, agree with most of that. I had a horrendous time at secondary school due to bullying which made me suicidal and turned me from a straight A* pupil at 11 years old into leaving school after failing all my O levels and CSEs. I truanted just to avoid being kicked and punched by the bullies, not to mention regular fag end burns on my arms! I know bullying is still a problem, but these days it seems to be more of a mental thing which (I know some will disagree) isn't as bad as being kicked and punched and burned on an almost daily basis!

Once I escaped that hell hole, I taught myself (and via evening classes) my O levels and A levels. It was hard because I had to borrow books from the library which wasn't easy as I was working full time in a crap job (due to no qualifications!) and couldn't afford to buy my own text books etc., so struggled with limited resources.

I'd have moved hell and Earth to have had access to the internet where I could do research, download free resources, view reference books, etc. It annoys me that we now have such brilliant resources at our fingertips yet choose to use them to watch brain numbing tik tok videos etc!