To not realise how much money is in selling puppies?

It's such an unregulated and problematic industry. I was talking about it recently with the head vet nurse at my local practice who is a registered KC breeder. There's the issue that 'fashionable' breeds come with associated health problems eg GSDs being bred to have incredibly sloped backs. Also anyone can breed dogs and sell them on pets4homes etc. A half sister of a school friend of mine had dogs seized from her 10 years ago due to neglect (I know because another friend worked for the rescue at the time). She's now breeding dogs and whilst there's obviously not a huge profit in responsible breeding, it's easy to see how someone of the mindset of it's ok to neglect animals may see it as as an easy way to make money.

But rescuing is also, indirectly, encouraging breeders. It makes space for more rescue animals. And also I don't think people should always have to rescue ( other people 's) animals to be considered ethical.

I have many pets, all of which have been rescues... except the dog (our previous 3 were rescues). He is a very well bred toy poodle. He competes in obedience and and hoopers and so getting a puppy was important so that we could start training early, but mostly I just wanted to the experience the puppy stage for once. He is 9 years old, so we bought him before this explosion in puppy prices.

You are, very politely, deranged. Deciding to have a litter of pups, You don't know how many or the sex distribution of the litter. Bitches are easier to sell and train, so they sell for more.

Or perhaps you should be recompensed for the work and costs you have! The OP questioned it and that was my answer!

If decent breeders stop breeding, then the ONLY dogs available will be from the corner cutting dodgy ones... and it is they who supply rescues, on the whole.

So we'd only have the option of poorly bred dogs, health problems, dogs who've had bad experiences in their past etc.

Thats not great for anyone.

...are you actually comparing adopting a child with adopting a dog?

Wow.

There are so many children in care and yet people don't adopt, they have their own.

It's because you have no idea the issues caused in the pregnancy / early days of life (in both children and animals). People want the brand new baby/puppy stage as well.

There shouldn't be as much money in breeding puppies though, I agree with that - it should be better regulated but how that can be done I'm not sure.

Where I'm from it is virtually impossible to get a rescue dog. The list of requirements is long and ridiculous (unless you are an influencer then you get handed 4 despite not being around to look after them but that's a different story). I have no choice but to buy from a breeder unfortunately.

Maybe they shouldn't do it then. Just stop.

What's the point of doing it then ? Do we need more dogs ? No dont there are thousands needing homes.

Thank god you saw sense and rescued instead. Why encourage more greedy breeders. Only reason people breed their dogs is for money. That is it. It's horrible. The mums have horrible lives. They are often made to have too many litters. If you love your dog why would you put it through that ? So many dogs in kennels waiting for a family. They should all be found homes and stop the breeding. The most rewarding thing to do is giving a dog in need a home. You will love that dog just as much as any designer puppy even more ❤️

Any decent rescue throughly assess dogs so you know exactly what you are getting

Plenty of supposedly decent rescues do no such thing. However, even the ones that do, they can't always catch everything.

I don't agree with the pp who said put them all down - totally ridiculous. But personally, in a house with children, I would never even consider a rescue dog. I agree with the pp that there are too many unknowns, too many potential aggression triggers that will never be tested.

My mum had a rescue beagle who was as good as gold for about three months. Until my sister walked in one day wearing a black wide brimmed hat and it went wild. Clearly terrified beyond words and I felt awful for the dog but it was actively trying to attack and reach her rather than a cowering kind of fear. It was only the luck of a fortunately positioned baby gate that saved her from probably some very bad bites.

My dog had a silent season at 4, she and the neighbours dog tied. All of the puppies except 1 went to our friends and family and we kept one. I never made any money from it, if anything I made a loss because I got them all vet checked, registered, microchipped etc. As soon as we could, I also got my girl spayed and her puppy also.

It is great still seeing the puppies though and knowing they are well cared for ☺️

Unfortunately a friend of mine has a family member engaged in this money making scheme. Eventually I cracked and gave both barrels. Its vile.

This is just being goady.

If you're serious, I don't think you have much experience with dogs at all so your opinion is redundant.

I doubt if even 10% of breeders declare their profits and are actually registered.

Even fewer do the recommended health checks, breed checks etc. The costs are not high for breeding so the margins are significant, no wonder so many crap breeders are out there.

Puppy demand has fallen since Covid craziness so there will be fewer breeders, it's getting harder to sell a puppy for £1k let alone the £3k they were getting. But gone are the days of £20 a pup from your neighbour's hairdresser who had an accidental litter.

I would buy a puppy, if it was a particular breed I wanted and the breeder seemed legitimate.

I would also rescue a dog if it was a good match.

It's not about taking any moral highground but assessing your needs/wants and then going forward from there.

If you rescue a dog, adopt from a reputable charity and if you buy a puppy, purchase from a reputable breeder.

What a shortsighted view.

You know there are often a lot of puppies in rescues, born in the rescues too right?

Tax free. And the greeders are too fucking lazy to get a proper job. Bastards 😡

My friend was a kc registered breeder for dachshunds. By the time she'd paid vets bills, jabs, microchips etc there's not as much as you think. One of her dogs had to have a caesarean which wiped out any profit and more one year.

Reputable breeders won't make as much as you think.

But I won't buy puppies and have always had rescue dogs, far too many unwanted dogs to buy a puppy.

And good rescues look for the best match for that dog’s needs and then provide support after adoption.

Any decent rescue throughly assess dogs so you know exactly what you are getting.
This isn't the case for dog pounds and there are some "rescues" who should not be allowed to call themselves a rescue. But good ones exist. A good rescue wants the best outcome for both the dog and the new owner.
Dogs are assessed for trigger points. The majority of dogs that end up in rescues end up there because people buy puppies that they can't care for, they hadn't thought about how much exercise the dog needs, how much it would cost, that the puppy wouldn't be automatically housetrained, that the child has allergies, that the dog would scratch doors when left alone for 8 hours, that they would dig holes in the garden when bored etc. The majority of dogs in rescues make for perfect pets in the right homes.

And rehomed with people who have already owned animals, who know what to expect from a dog trying to find its place in the world.

@WiddlinDiddlin very lucky