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To ask what ‘far right’ means to you?

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Rainbowsponge · 01/08/2024 18:52

Let’s not make this a Southport thread, just a political one. I consider myself a centrist and voted Lib Dem (to get us back in EU but that’s another story).

There’s been a lot of talk of ‘far right’ on here over the last few days, but very few observations on what far right actually means. To me it means things like capital punishment, enforced religion, open state misogyny, a blanket ban on abortion, homosexuality being outlawed, that sort of thing.

To me, having justified concerns about immigration, having views on new house building, voting Conservative or disapproving of Just Stop Oil protestors doesn’t make you ‘far right’. Centre or right of centre perhaps, but not far right.

What do you think?

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FayeGreener · 01/08/2024 22:31

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”

C.S. Lewis summing up how I feel about the modern left.

PointsSouth · 01/08/2024 22:28

I think the far right, in every country, is typified by a militant nostalgia for a past that never existed, but in which the people yearning for it feel they'd have been more important and more powerful than they feel now.

TomDaleysShavedBalls · 01/08/2024 22:27

HRTQueen · 01/08/2024 22:15

I agree the far left there is a lot of anger I feel it’s more distain than hate

anger and hate are the words that come to mind when I hear hard right

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It comes across as hatred to me, but self-righteous with it.

EasternStandard · 01/08/2024 22:25

Dymaxion · 01/08/2024 22:22

I think deterrents do work although it was scrapped at GE

I personally think different things work for different countries, due in part to good old fashioned Geography. As far as deterrents, I don't think the previous Governments solution ticked a lot of boxes, least of all in volume ? It seemed ludicrously expensive for something that clearly had all the hallmarks of a 'back of a fag packet' idea ? What it did have was enough smoke and mirrors to pretend to be a solution, and that is half the battle in politics isn't it ?

I think we’re going to find national riot squads and / or public disorder, ‘elite border control’ to smash the gangs and accommodation expensive.

Aus spends a lot but no one is voting those policies out or running on doing so Labor or Liberal

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 22:24

Elbone · 01/08/2024 22:22

Do you not think someone who is “on the line of being fascist” is right wing?

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Right wing =/= far right. Which is the topic of the thread

Dymaxion · 01/08/2024 22:22

I think deterrents do work although it was scrapped at GE

I personally think different things work for different countries, due in part to good old fashioned Geography. As far as deterrents, I don't think the previous Governments solution ticked a lot of boxes, least of all in volume ? It seemed ludicrously expensive for something that clearly had all the hallmarks of a 'back of a fag packet' idea ? What it did have was enough smoke and mirrors to pretend to be a solution, and that is half the battle in politics isn't it ?

Elbone · 01/08/2024 22:22

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 22:21

I haven't said Reform is far right.
I've said multiple times Nigel Farage very carefully goes as close to the line of being a fascist as he can without crossing it.

It's irrelevant as they aren't in power and won't be in power.

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Do you not think someone who is “on the line of being fascist” is right wing?

WrittenOnWater · 01/08/2024 22:22

Aren’t the National Riot Squad already in existence, just a new name for a bigger version of the football hooliganism police?

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 22:22

Elbone · 01/08/2024 22:21

How is wanting to know exactly how women are at immediate risk of being equally oppressed to women in Saudi defending thugs?

Do you have the capacity to discuss anything in good faith?

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Do you?
I'm reporting now as you seem incapable of reading what's actually written and are just projecting

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 22:21

Elbone · 01/08/2024 22:19

Your debate tactics are wearing a title thin and becoming tedious now.

Deny you’ve said something, restate the exact same things again, ad hominem x repeat

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I haven't said Reform is far right.
I've said multiple times Nigel Farage very carefully goes as close to the line of being a fascist as he can without crossing it.

It's irrelevant as they aren't in power and won't be in power.

Elbone · 01/08/2024 22:21

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 22:19

Oh dear.
Read the whole thread. It will help. And stop defending thugs. It will also help.

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How is wanting to know exactly how women are at immediate risk of being equally oppressed to women in Saudi defending thugs?

Do you have the capacity to discuss anything in good faith?

Gummybear23 · 01/08/2024 22:19

Thugs
Hatred
Thick as mince
Inadequate
Failures
Unhealthy

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 22:19

Vivi0 · 01/08/2024 21:44

This is absolute fantasy.

Who is the “far right”? You mean, someone like Nigel Farage?

What do you see changing for women under Nigel Farage that would result in them experiencing the same oppression as women in Saudi?

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Oh dear.
Read the whole thread. It will help. And stop defending thugs. It will also help.

Elbone · 01/08/2024 22:19

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 22:14

Do I? 🙄

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Your debate tactics are wearing a title thin and becoming tedious now.

Deny you’ve said something, restate the exact same things again, ad hominem x repeat

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 22:17

TheHateIsNotGood · 01/08/2024 21:44

@CassieMaddox it's very relevant because our PM announced today that he wants to form a National Police Group to respond to riots. Great in theory.

Will everyone be equally happy to send the National Riot Squad in to deal with the yobs in both Southport and Harehills?

I would, but the difficulty arises if the rioters are from a non-UK immigrant group, such as Harehills, who could declare it as 'racist' which could then easily extrapolate to accusing the Police of using far-right, xenophobic attacks against them. Not so much objections could arise if the rioters were only a bunch of white yobs.

I would trust the National Riot Squad to be the professionals and decide on the appropriate plan of action. Because they are the professionals, not me. And because it's important to society and democracy to let people do their job

hattie43 · 01/08/2024 22:17

Kim Jong Un .

Far right is bandied about like smarties for anyone on the left .

HRTQueen · 01/08/2024 22:15

TomDaleysShavedBalls · 01/08/2024 22:12

The far left are full of anger and hatred too. Some people even hate people for drinking bitter and eating a fry-up abroad!

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I agree the far left there is a lot of anger I feel it’s more distain than hate

anger and hate are the words that come to mind when I hear hard right

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 22:14

Elbone · 01/08/2024 21:44

YOU SAID

“She's saying if the far right were in charge we would be.”

You also claim Reform are far right.

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Do I? 🙄

EasternStandard · 01/08/2024 22:12

Dymaxion · 01/08/2024 22:05

@EasternStandard I was simply saying those countries are Gold Standard when it comes to suppressing their populations, so if any Government truly was thinking of going down that road, those are your go to peeps for advice . But as I also said how did the centre right Conservatives address peoples issues ? They had 14 years and Labour has had a few weeks ?

I wouldn’t be keen on that kind of suppression, I’d loathe it so I hope we don’t go there and that advice is the last thing I’d want. But I can see further issues growing

I think deterrents do work although it was scrapped at GE, however the U.K. isn’t really dealing with this and I compare more to Aus policy and imo we’ll see a widening between EU / U.K. and Aus

Aus won’t face the same issues and pressures as they put policies in place decades ago. I see the trajectory here and think it could get worse

Another option is co ordinated legal change b/n countries

Dymaxion · 01/08/2024 22:12

@lollipoprainbow which bit of of the migration figures under the Conservatives, bothers you the most ?

TomDaleysShavedBalls · 01/08/2024 22:12

HRTQueen · 01/08/2024 21:50

Anger and hatred

The far left are full of anger and hatred too. Some people even hate people for drinking bitter and eating a fry-up abroad!

lollipoprainbow · 01/08/2024 22:10

According to MN anyone who cares about their country and has concerns about mass immigration.

Dymaxion · 01/08/2024 22:05

@EasternStandard I was simply saying those countries are Gold Standard when it comes to suppressing their populations, so if any Government truly was thinking of going down that road, those are your go to peeps for advice . But as I also said how did the centre right Conservatives address peoples issues ? They had 14 years and Labour has had a few weeks ?

Vivi0 · 01/08/2024 22:05

Papyrophile · 01/08/2024 21:47

I really don't think fascism has much traction in the UK. Even in Cornwall we manage to rub along with POC -- once they've learned to eat pasties and put the jam on their scones first.

A pointless question? Why?

Someone said the U.K. under Tommy Robinson would result in women experiencing oppression equal to that of women in Saudi.

I am no fan of Tommy Robinson, but I am a fan of keeping conversations realistic.

I want to know what that poster thinks Tommy Robinson would or could possibly do to oppress women to the same level women are oppressed in Saudi Arabia?

Elbone · 01/08/2024 22:04

TheHateIsNotGood · 01/08/2024 21:59

I'm not sure either Cassie as my experience of these Special Squads in days of yore were that they were the epitome of Right-wing thugs themselves and being big, burly and thick appeared to be a prerequisite to get the job.

Hopefully now better use is made of the smaller, strong and swifter police officers now

The last 'national riots' were the Poll Tax riots - what's happening now are localized single issue riots which change nothing and only destroy. Better let the regular Police get on with 'policing' whilst the Riot Squad quells the riots.

There were national riots in 2011.