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To ask what ‘far right’ means to you?

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Rainbowsponge · 01/08/2024 18:52

Let’s not make this a Southport thread, just a political one. I consider myself a centrist and voted Lib Dem (to get us back in EU but that’s another story).

There’s been a lot of talk of ‘far right’ on here over the last few days, but very few observations on what far right actually means. To me it means things like capital punishment, enforced religion, open state misogyny, a blanket ban on abortion, homosexuality being outlawed, that sort of thing.

To me, having justified concerns about immigration, having views on new house building, voting Conservative or disapproving of Just Stop Oil protestors doesn’t make you ‘far right’. Centre or right of centre perhaps, but not far right.

What do you think?

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echt · 02/08/2024 00:03

Rainbowsponge · 01/08/2024 18:59

So, Australia? China? Japan? All of which have very strict immigration laws compared to here?

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You know fine well what the far right is.

Australia has a Labour government and no history of far right government.

TomDaleysShavedBalls · 02/08/2024 00:03

What about Sarah-Jane/Alan Baker?

TomDaleysShavedBalls · 02/08/2024 00:01

cupcaske123 · 01/08/2024 23:56

Could you give some examples? There isn't much far left activity in the UK as far as I'm aware. There are a few small political parties such as the Communist Party but what damage have they done exactly?

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Groups that would identify as left or anarchist have being very active shutting down feminist meetings, creating intimidating and hostile atmospheres, making academics need to leave their employment for they mental well-being.

Lentilweaver · 02/08/2024 00:00

Oh well @Bellsandthistle as a brown person I would rather deal with the far left who believe men are women, than a skinhead who wants to burn my house down because he thinks anyone not white is not British. No doubt some white people feel differently because they will never be targets or have a petrol bomb thrown through their door.

WrittenOnWater · 01/08/2024 23:59

Lentilweaver · 01/08/2024 23:51

Started out with faux wide eyed innocence, ended with " Let's blame all PoC for the act of one man and make them bear collective responsibility". And then some diversion about NZ politics.

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And a lot of lookatme lookatme lookatme answer me dammit type neediness.

TomDaleysShavedBalls · 01/08/2024 23:57

I think it’s stupid to stereotype and dismiss people who get drawn towards extremism.

People who have questions and concerns that are not fully formed yet, getting dismissed as ‘far right’ or ‘far left’ before even exploring whether they have some legitimacy, means they are shamed and silenced and become more vulnerable to extremists who offer opportunities articulate them.

cupcaske123 · 01/08/2024 23:56

Bellsandthistle · 01/08/2024 23:52

Nope. The damage done by the far-left is worse as it’s more insidious and calculated. Its biggest proponents cloak themselves in what they believe to be untouchable moral propriety. I know which I’d rather deal with.

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Could you give some examples? There isn't much far left activity in the UK as far as I'm aware. There are a few small political parties such as the Communist Party but what damage have they done exactly?

Bellsandthistle · 01/08/2024 23:52

Lentilweaver · 01/08/2024 23:36

This is like those pathetic threads on male violence where 3 women are slaughtered by a man with a crossbow, and NAMALTS pop up to complain about some woman being snide to them in the office. Self righteousness is NOT comparable to rioting thugs from any community.

Nope. The damage done by the far-left is worse as it’s more insidious and calculated. Its biggest proponents cloak themselves in what they believe to be untouchable moral propriety. I know which I’d rather deal with.

Lentilweaver · 01/08/2024 23:51

Ridiculousme · 01/08/2024 23:49

This is just a goady thread. I can’t be arsed watching the op browbeat one person after another.

Started out with faux wide eyed innocence, ended with " Let's blame all PoC for the act of one man and make them bear collective responsibility". And then some diversion about NZ politics.

Ridiculousme · 01/08/2024 23:49

This is just a goady thread. I can’t be arsed watching the op browbeat one person after another.

Lentilweaver · 01/08/2024 23:47

Rainbowsponge · 01/08/2024 23:41

Ok so with men we/you accept it’s fine to make a whole group of millions of people ‘take responsibility’ for the actions of a minority. Do you apply this to any other groups?

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Actually we don't. Otherwise the legal system would be making my DS accept responsibility for Kyle Clifford, which would be nonsensical. I am just saying that killing people is not comparable to office bitchiness.

Lentilweaver · 01/08/2024 23:43

TomDaleysShavedBalls · 01/08/2024 23:39

How about the self-righteous rioting thugs who punched an elderly woman in the face in New Zealand? They were rioting thugs all right, but because they perceive themselves as on the right side of history, they think there is virtue in their thuggery.

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No idea about the details of NZ politics since I am not a New Zealander. Any rioters who destroy property and exhibit violent behaviour, self righteous or not, have no virtue.

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Rainbowsponge · 01/08/2024 23:41

Lentilweaver · 01/08/2024 23:36

This is like those pathetic threads on male violence where 3 women are slaughtered by a man with a crossbow, and NAMALTS pop up to complain about some woman being snide to them in the office. Self righteousness is NOT comparable to rioting thugs from any community.

Ok so with men we/you accept it’s fine to make a whole group of millions of people ‘take responsibility’ for the actions of a minority. Do you apply this to any other groups?

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TomDaleysShavedBalls · 01/08/2024 23:39

Lentilweaver · 01/08/2024 23:36

This is like those pathetic threads on male violence where 3 women are slaughtered by a man with a crossbow, and NAMALTS pop up to complain about some woman being snide to them in the office. Self righteousness is NOT comparable to rioting thugs from any community.

How about the self-righteous rioting thugs who punched an elderly woman in the face in New Zealand? They were rioting thugs all right, but because they perceive themselves as on the right side of history, they think there is virtue in their thuggery.

Lentilweaver · 01/08/2024 23:36

This is like those pathetic threads on male violence where 3 women are slaughtered by a man with a crossbow, and NAMALTS pop up to complain about some woman being snide to them in the office. Self righteousness is NOT comparable to rioting thugs from any community.

S0livagant · 01/08/2024 23:35

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 23:23

It is ridiculous forced teaming to bring the Olympic boxing into a thread about the far right. Hth.

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It was an example of the misogyny of the left. Many of the traits being mentioned on this thread apply to both ends of the spectrum.

Bellsandthistle · 01/08/2024 23:33

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 23:23

It is ridiculous forced teaming to bring the Olympic boxing into a thread about the far right. Hth.

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I’m not sure it is.
The label of “far right” has been hurled at women (and some men) for opposing men in women’s sport.
We have to acknowledge that it is often used as a label in an attempt to shut up valid concerns.

Sometimeswinning · 01/08/2024 23:31

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 23:23

It is ridiculous forced teaming to bring the Olympic boxing into a thread about the far right. Hth.

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I think you are choosing to not understand or you are genuinely Left good Right bad sort of person.

Either way I’ll leave you to your other comments where you’re also getting a bit confused and not expressing yourself very well.

Bellsandthistle · 01/08/2024 23:30

S0livagant · 01/08/2024 22:43

Some of the most misogynistic, homophobic people are on the left.

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Absolutely. But veiled in self-righteousness.

mollyfolk · 01/08/2024 23:23

TomDaleysShavedBalls · 01/08/2024 19:02

Do you have to be white to be far right?

No. In England the far-right claim ownership of what it means to be English. But there are far right ideologies and governments all over the world. Far right ideas where at the root of the Rwandan genocide for example.

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 23:23

Sometimeswinning · 01/08/2024 23:18

What’s ridiculous? Or did you just have no other point to make?

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It is ridiculous forced teaming to bring the Olympic boxing into a thread about the far right. Hth.

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 23:21

Lentilweaver · 01/08/2024 23:20

I knew this long, winding, disingenois thread would eventually end in people asking if racist rioting thugs really meant it?

Exactly

Lentilweaver · 01/08/2024 23:20

I knew this long, winding, disingenois thread would eventually end in people asking if racist rioting thugs really meant it?

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 23:18

Vivi0 · 01/08/2024 23:16

Faux outrage?

I’m utterly perplexed, actually. I don’t even like Tommy Robinson or Nigel Farage, but I can’t fathom how someone could actually think that the U.K. under either of those men would be, for women, akin to Saudi Arabia.

You are familiar with my tactics? What tactics? I’m baffled by what you said, and all your responses since. No one owes anyone anything, but your lack of any kind of explanation speaks volumes.

I asked you what you thought would change in the U.K. for women under Nigel Farage that would result in them experiencing the same oppression as women in Saudi. You responded by telling me to stop defending thugs. Perhaps you should learn how to respond appropriately.

You see me? Lol. Let me guess, I’m a far right fascist? Is that right?

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She doesn't think that. If you read her posts it is very clear.

If you want to have a fight over what another poster imagined someone said, knock yourself out. I cba.

Sometimeswinning · 01/08/2024 23:18

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 23:07

Don't be ridiculous. Biscuit

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What’s ridiculous? Or did you just have no other point to make?