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To ask what ‘far right’ means to you?

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Rainbowsponge · 01/08/2024 18:52

Let’s not make this a Southport thread, just a political one. I consider myself a centrist and voted Lib Dem (to get us back in EU but that’s another story).

There’s been a lot of talk of ‘far right’ on here over the last few days, but very few observations on what far right actually means. To me it means things like capital punishment, enforced religion, open state misogyny, a blanket ban on abortion, homosexuality being outlawed, that sort of thing.

To me, having justified concerns about immigration, having views on new house building, voting Conservative or disapproving of Just Stop Oil protestors doesn’t make you ‘far right’. Centre or right of centre perhaps, but not far right.

What do you think?

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BloodyHellKenAgain · 01/08/2024 20:18

MangosteenSoda · 01/08/2024 19:43

Far Right = ignorance + aggression

Far Left = idealism + aggression

TBH I prefer far left and far right both = idealism, ignorance and agression (obviously different types of what is ideal)
Far left and far right are both cheeks of the same arse IMO.

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Rainbowsponge · 01/08/2024 20:18

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 20:17

How would an "ideology rooted in communism or marxism" manifest itself and in what sense is it a threat to the UK?

I'm asking because this is the kind of question I could easily answer about the far right but not the far left. Which is why I think the "far left" is a conceptual threat being pushed as a way to minimise the actual threat from the far right.

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Did I say it was a threat to the UK?

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Rainbowsponge · 01/08/2024 20:17

cupcaske123 · 01/08/2024 20:15

That's me called out. Not supporting genocide makes me far right!!! Can't say anything nowadays 🙄

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I dont support genocide. I’ve donated huge amounts of my own money to humanitarian charities supporting Palestinians. More than you I’m willing to bet.

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CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 20:17

Rainbowsponge · 01/08/2024 20:14

People with ideologies rooted in communism or Marxism (to me). Jeremy Corbyn is I would say nearly far left. But not quite. Because I have nuanced thinking.

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How would an "ideology rooted in communism or marxism" manifest itself and in what sense is it a threat to the UK?

I'm asking because this is the kind of question I could easily answer about the far right but not the far left. Which is why I think the "far left" is a conceptual threat being pushed as a way to minimise the actual threat from the far right.

Ridiculousme · 01/08/2024 20:17

For me it is any form of ‘othering’. Regardless of what it is, hating of any member of any group, just because they’re of that group.

Elbone · 01/08/2024 20:16

Uricon2 · 01/08/2024 20:05

That is not what I said. I said that it is equally horrible in terms of its affect, which it is on women, unless you think Stephen (wife assaulter) Yaxley-Lennon is a shining example of feminism.

For absence of doubt, Saudi is as horrible in its own way but the cultural bases of the Left and Right wings in Europe are different to those in Saudi and some other states.

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You think the women of uk face the same level of oppression as the women of Saudi?

Livelovebehappy · 01/08/2024 20:15

FayeGreener · 01/08/2024 19:09

It’s a meaningless phrase these days and basically means “anyone who believes things I don’t agree with”.

Absolutely. I’ve been called far right before just for having very valid concerns about immigration!

cupcaske123 · 01/08/2024 20:15

Rainbowsponge · 01/08/2024 20:13

You sound very close to the ‘you can’t say anything now’ brigade.

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That's me called out. Not supporting genocide makes me far right!!! Can't say anything nowadays 🙄

TaylorBrown · 01/08/2024 20:15

It means if you protest for innocent children who got killed for no reason then you are racist and must of course be part of the non existent edl and a violent thug.

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Rainbowsponge · 01/08/2024 20:14

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 20:11

What is "the far left"?

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People with ideologies rooted in communism or Marxism (to me). Jeremy Corbyn is I would say nearly far left. But not quite. Because I have nuanced thinking.

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VividQuoter · 01/08/2024 20:14

Not sure to be honest. Have not see it in real life...very moderate and sweet where we live, thanks God

WrittenOnWater · 01/08/2024 20:14

StripedPiggy · 01/08/2024 20:11

I agree, OP.

Thinking immigration, both legal & illegal, is far too high & supporting legally enforced caps on numbers ≠ far right.
Supporting free speech, including by people you dislike who say things you disagree with ≠ far right.
Supporting much lower levels of taxation, smaller government, benefit cuts, some level of NHS privatisation ≠ far right.

Supporting racial or religious segregation or discrimination, forced repatriation of immigrants etc etc = far right.

That’s what it’s not the same as, but doesn’t further, I mean ‘engage with’ ‘the debate’ . What does far right mean to you?

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Rainbowsponge · 01/08/2024 20:13

cupcaske123 · 01/08/2024 20:12

I see. So the far left wanting to show support for Gaza is anti semitism. I imagine they support terrorism too.

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You sound very close to the ‘you can’t say anything now’ brigade.

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cupcaske123 · 01/08/2024 20:12

Rainbowsponge · 01/08/2024 20:06

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67378893.amp

Clear issues with antisemitism in the far left in France.

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I see. So the far left wanting to show support for Gaza is anti semitism. I imagine they support terrorism too.

Uricon2 · 01/08/2024 20:11

How much do you actually care about anti Semitism @Rainbowsponge

StripedPiggy · 01/08/2024 20:11

I agree, OP.

Thinking immigration, both legal & illegal, is far too high & supporting legally enforced caps on numbers ≠ far right.
Supporting free speech, including by people you dislike who say things you disagree with ≠ far right.
Supporting much lower levels of taxation, smaller government, benefit cuts, some level of NHS privatisation ≠ far right.

Supporting racial or religious segregation or discrimination, forced repatriation of immigrants etc etc = far right.

CassieMaddox · 01/08/2024 20:11

Rainbowsponge · 01/08/2024 20:01

Have you not noticed the antisemitism by the far left recently?

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What is "the far left"?

funinthesun19 · 01/08/2024 20:07

That what you mentioned about blanket ban on abortions. People who hold this view are in the far right category. Some of these people will be all against racism, homophobia etc. But then they will come out with some right wing shite about how abortion should be completely banned and show themselves up. 🤦🏼‍♀️ 👎🏻 They might not be a racist but they’re sexist and against women.

brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 01/08/2024 20:07

Far Right also means blaming immigrants / immigration / Muslims for all your problems.

Blanket blaming “others” in that way is the same framing Nazi Germany used to justify the Kristallnacht.

And it can get in the fucking sea with Farage, Tice, Grimes, Atherton, Reform, “Robinson”, and all the other fuckwits paid by Russia to destabilise the UK.

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Rainbowsponge · 01/08/2024 20:07

Winederlust · 01/08/2024 20:02

And yours don't make any sense.
Why don't you engage with the debate rather than just post cryptic digs?

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Wish I knew! Suspect it’s something to do with attack the person, avoid the debate etc

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BobbyBiscuits · 01/08/2024 20:06

Tommy Robinson supporters, nazi sympathisers, anti semites, racists, I guess trump or Farage supporters.

suburberphobe · 01/08/2024 20:06

And what a stable society they appear to be. Something to be envied.

Japan? Where the women are going on "birth strike"?

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Rainbowsponge · 01/08/2024 20:06

cupcaske123 · 01/08/2024 20:02

Can you give an example of current antisemitism by the far left.

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67378893.amp

Clear issues with antisemitism in the far left in France.

March against antisemitism in Paris, 12 November

March against antisemitism breaks new ground in France - BBC News

Far-right leader Marine Le Pen takes part, alongside major parties but the far left refuses.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67378893.amp

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Uricon2 · 01/08/2024 20:05

Elbone · 01/08/2024 19:58

I’m sorry. Am I reading this right? You think Saudi and Europe are equally horrible?

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That is not what I said. I said that it is equally horrible in terms of its affect, which it is on women, unless you think Stephen (wife assaulter) Yaxley-Lennon is a shining example of feminism.

For absence of doubt, Saudi is as horrible in its own way but the cultural bases of the Left and Right wings in Europe are different to those in Saudi and some other states.