Women with complete androgen insensitivity syndrome

There are scientific, objective tests which can be used to determine someone's sex, in the rare cases where there is any ambiguity in the matter.

There is, as you correctly state, no scientific, objective test for determining someone's gender, because gender is not scientifically, objectively real.

The hatred and fear of trans people? Pretty sure this has got fuck all to do with hating trans people because why would anybody hate a group of people just because they are trans 🤨 the issue is that a woman got punched in the fucking face by a bloke. Pisses me off when the label "transphobic" gets thrown about. I am not transphobic at all but I am ablokepunchingawomanphobic. 2 completely different things and it's amazing to me that some people can't seem to understand the difference.

OP has conveniently skipped over the point about this is a matter of SAFETY. Failure to recognise that males competing in female categories pose a physical risk.

That's outrageous sexism.

Instead we are told that we are just being prejudice and unfair.

All while the OP tries to virtue signal (badly) about identity managing to be homophobic and racist in the process.

I'm sorry but some lecturing over unfairness to make competitors in this context doesn't know what the fuck they are talking about and wants to facilitate physical harm to women.

Thats seriously perverse. But hey OP is a good little 'progressive' and can say how inclusive they are...

(Rolls eyes)

That’s because gender is a meaningless term.

No, CAIS means there is no sensitivity to testosterone so no huge advantage and have a female phenotype, although people with CAIS do tend to be tall.

I don’t think anyone here hates or fears either trans people or people with DSDs. Lots of us number trans people among our friends and family.

Many of us do, however, value the safety and integrity of women’s sports (and other single sex provisions) and think those boundaries are worth defending.

I don't see how anyone with XY and abnormal androgen production or sensitivity could 'not know' until they were an adult - they have no womb and will never have periods. Pretty big clue in their teens that they have a medical condition that needs investigation. At an elite athlete level I flatly refuse to believe that they wouldn't know - testosterone is a drug of abuse in sport so levels are routinely checked. It's very sad that some countries choose to exploit people with DSD for sporting advantage.

You do understand that people with DSDs are not the same as trans people?

Nothing to do with trans and everything to do with dna,do your research.

People who have or who have ever had functional testes are men. People who have or who have ever had functional ovaries are women.

The existence of people with DSDs, who will additionally fall into either male or female category, does not negate this.

Where’s the hypocrisy ?

This thread is nuts

I didn’t say, nor do I believe , black men have a “genetic advantage” over white men in sport

We can read. You said:
Black men are overrepresented in many male sports. Do they have an unfair advantage because of their physiology / genetics

People with Swyer syndrome are genetically male but have a female phenotype, like people with CAIS. They are considered women, for obvious reasons.

C’mon this isn’t difficult.

50% of people have the genetic advantage of having testes which produce large quantities of testosterone, thus vastly improving sporting performance.

That's the main reason why we have separate categories for male and female athletes.

So do please tell us @Tandora

What do you believe are the “physiological/ hormonal factors at play” that make lesbians different?

Yep,it's a dirty job but someone had to do it.

What’s this about lesbians? Has there been a survey conducted on our Olympic team and others to show an ‘over representation’ of lesbians?

what a load of nonsense!

I said that black men are overrepresented in male sport and lesbian women are over represented in female sports. That’s an empirical trend. Sorry if it offends you!

No. You didn't just state the empirical trend - you suggested there may be a physiological reason why more lesbians do sport:

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Jesus! That's desperate!

Actually, I'd love there to be research to investigate why lesbian girls are more likely than heterosexual girls to continue with sport as they grow. It's a much healthier way to be, both physically and mentally.

I'm guessing it's a social and community thing but you tell yourself it's in the genes if it makes you happy 😂

Your response (my bold): I’ve no doubt there is a huge social, community element. They may well also be some physiological/ hormonal factors at play. As with all differences it’s likely to be a complex mix of environmental, social, potentially physiological factors.

See also your comment on the physiology of black sports people:
Black men are overrepresented in many male sports. Do they have an unfair advantage because of their physiology / genetics?

That would be "determining their sex". Gender is irrelevant to sporting performance.

Sex however is relevant.
As you have been told many times, male puberty , which happens to men not women, causes irreversible physical development of a male body, which confers sporting advantage.

How many times?

Karyotype does determine your sex category.

DSD's are not identities, they are medical conditions, some of which can have significant health implications for the person affected. If you weren't so determined to exploit DSD's in your "sex is a spectrum" argument, which ultimately leads to men dominating womens sport, you might have researched more than CAIS and have some genuine compassion for people with other types of DSD.

You trivialise the meaning of the term "human rights" when you apply it to the right to compete in the sports team/category of your choosing at elite level. You are being ridiculous.