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To think that those that bully online should have restrictions to social media?

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Shiningstar80 · 01/08/2024 15:19

I know this would be hard to do but I’m just shocked at how cruel some people can be. You I don’t know what is going on in someone’s life and one nasty comment could push them over the edge. People who are responsible for causing this in my opinion should be banned from ever having access to social media

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WallaceinAnderland · 02/08/2024 14:40

Yes we do have laws to cover that.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 02/08/2024 12:41

Shiningstar80 · 02/08/2024 11:51

But those examples are not what I mean at all. I’m talking about someone pushing someone to harm themselves and even if they don’t die those responsible need to be prosecuted.
comparing button collecting to that is ridiculous.
If getting justice for those that harm/Jill themselves is looking for an authority to control peoples actions then so be it.

Don’t you have laws that cover that? The US does and others have mentioned other laws (I’m assuming UK), So it would seem that it already is covered.

What more do you want?

Shiningstar80 · 02/08/2024 11:51

Tandora · 02/08/2024 00:35

75% of women on Aibu would be banned for life 😂

That’s true 😂

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saltinesandcoffeecups · 01/08/2024 19:43

Ok so now that we’ve clarified what you meant, I still think it’s up the authorities to prosecute if it hits the level of a criminal act. And it’s up to the individual SM sites to adhere to their Terms of Use that they all have.

I wish that people would stop looking for some authority to control people’s actions.

If I want to be an idiot on X/Twitter does that mean that I should be banned somehow from posting my button collecting hobby on Instagram?

How about getting into a months long feud on FB with my neighbor and his parking habits, should that mean I can’t contact a company on X/Twitter to get a customer service resolution?

But those examples are not what I mean at all. I’m talking about someone pushing someone to harm themselves and even if they don’t die those responsible need to be prosecuted.
comparing button collecting to that is ridiculous.
If getting justice for those that harm/Jill themselves is looking for an authority to control peoples actions then so be it.

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WalkingonWheels · 02/08/2024 00:41

I suppose the only way to try and deal with it is to have a proper sign up process for any sort of communications or social media type site, where you have to provide full identification in various forms, personal details etc, like you do when you apply for a passport or driving licence. It's too easy to set up burner emails and phones, and create fake personas.

Reporting comments is no deterrent because even if they get banned from the platform (which is rare, as their reporting systems are useless), they can just go right ahead and set up a new account.

I do agree that the Internet needs to be monitored more closely. Saying that, some people on Facebook under their real names aren't scared to make hateful comments.

Tandora · 02/08/2024 00:35

75% of women on Aibu would be banned for life 😂

GinAndBeerIt · 02/08/2024 00:31

Crikey, there would be hardly anyone left online.

WallaceinAnderland · 01/08/2024 23:50

I don’t mean just being mean I mean proper abuse

We already have laws to cover that.

bergamotorange · 01/08/2024 22:23

I don't know what the societal answer is really to how awful SM can be.

Free speech is vital, but SM is a real mess.

offsidecrown1224 · 01/08/2024 22:02

Dollyparton3 · 01/08/2024 20:31

Speaking as someone who has been cyberbullied, Pandora's box was opened by the social media platforms and until they stick to their posting rules and moral guidelines it's an open court for people with an axe to grind sadly.

8 people reported the post about me asking the platform to review it for abusive targeted bullying content and not one of them got a response. It was brute force face to face that got it removed (not me)

As soon as the platforms are held to account this will start to clean up to a degree but the revenue generation at stake and constant turnover of anonymous users means they've all got plausible deniability on bullying.

You have a great point - social media platforms actually benefit from online bullying and trolls to a degree (as long as there are no overt tragedies… and even then they have their lawyers).

I hope this will change. I suppose it’s the plus side of internet ID laws, if you can’t be anonymous you’d lose the ability to bully online - or it might at least deter some people. Though of course, losing anonymity removes some of the benefits of the internet.

Equally, I think a fair amount of bullies feel their behaviour is reasonable and justified and don’t see it as bullying!

Dollyparton3 · 01/08/2024 20:31

Speaking as someone who has been cyberbullied, Pandora's box was opened by the social media platforms and until they stick to their posting rules and moral guidelines it's an open court for people with an axe to grind sadly.

8 people reported the post about me asking the platform to review it for abusive targeted bullying content and not one of them got a response. It was brute force face to face that got it removed (not me)

As soon as the platforms are held to account this will start to clean up to a degree but the revenue generation at stake and constant turnover of anonymous users means they've all got plausible deniability on bullying.

offsidecrown1224 · 01/08/2024 20:11

Shiningstar80 · 01/08/2024 16:10

Im not that ridiculous to think that any word could be accused of bullying. I’m talking about very obvious cases. If there is evidence of it then those that can’t control themselves and what they type shouldn’t be allowed to have social media.
i don’t think it’s ridiculous as you say if it prevents both adults and children from having abuse hurled at them.

You’re not being ridiculous at all. There’s already a law that covers trolling/online abuse. Perhaps it should further include monitoring of the social media accounts of online trolls.

‘In England and Wales, the Malicious Communications Act 1988 covers comments that cause "distress or anxiety". Similar legislation applies in Northern Ireland. Sean Duffy was jailed under the act for 18 weeks in 2011 after he made "grossly offensive" comments about children who had killed themselves’

offsidecrown1224 · 01/08/2024 20:07

Stompythedinosaur · 01/08/2024 15:56

But how would that work?

Who judges what is bullying? Who enforces it?

I think the Malicious Communications Act covers exactly this and persistent trolls and online bullies can be prosecuted in a criminal court. I think it should be applied more widely to stop the cowardly trolls bullying people.

Imagine these bullies applying for a job and having to explain that they bullied and harassed members of the public online… :)

edit: I’m sure future employers would think twice about hiring such a person… who no doubt describes themselves as a ‘team player’ who has an ‘assertive communication style’.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 01/08/2024 19:43

Ok so now that we’ve clarified what you meant, I still think it’s up the authorities to prosecute if it hits the level of a criminal act. And it’s up to the individual SM sites to adhere to their Terms of Use that they all have.

I wish that people would stop looking for some authority to control people’s actions.

If I want to be an idiot on X/Twitter does that mean that I should be banned somehow from posting my button collecting hobby on Instagram?

How about getting into a months long feud on FB with my neighbor and his parking habits, should that mean I can’t contact a company on X/Twitter to get a customer service resolution?

Shiningstar80 · 01/08/2024 19:12

TinkerTiger · 01/08/2024 16:09

So many times on MN when a wife is complaining about her husband and she says he has mental health issues, the replies tend to go along the lines of 'he's responsible for his own mental health and should seek help'.

I think if people are so bothered by online replies they should do the same. Simply making a comment on a thread that someone else doesn't agree with doesn't equate bullying.

I’m referring to proper abuse not name calling

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Shiningstar80 · 01/08/2024 19:10

I don’t think I made it clear what I meant. I don’t mean just some name calling etc, I mean proper abuse. It’s just so sad all the cases you see and hear about x

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Shiningstar80 · 01/08/2024 19:09

WallaceinAnderland · 01/08/2024 16:24

There are laws around cybercrime, stalking, harassment, malicious communications, etc. These have specific definitions and criteria.

Someone being a bit mean cannot be legislated against.

I don’t mean just being mean I mean proper abuse

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OrigamiOwls · 01/08/2024 17:36

Who would be the arbitrator of what is bullying and what is not?
You may not feel that calling Nigel Farage a dick on social media is bullying but he may disagree. Who gets to decide? And why is being abusive towards one person acceptable, but not somebody else?

I do think he is a dick tho.

Bex5490 · 01/08/2024 17:25

Practically impossible and like PPs have said it’s quite hard to draw the line.

I don’t ever want to live in a world where calling Nigel Farage a dick is against the law.

But I know why you’re probably feeling this way because all you have to do is scroll down on Twitter and the comments are absolutely vile.

TinkerTiger · 01/08/2024 17:02

cupcaske123 · 01/08/2024 16:16

Not necessarily some have been prosecuted for online stalking and harassment. I doubt the OP is talking about a single nasty comment. Bullying is categorised as repeated behaviour. I also think you can get prosecuted for being part of mobbing.

Yes agree with all of this. It’s definitely a pattern of behaviour in addition, I was more focussing on the OP talking about one nasty comment pushing someone over the edge, bur they’ve clarified now

WallaceinAnderland · 01/08/2024 16:24

There are laws around cybercrime, stalking, harassment, malicious communications, etc. These have specific definitions and criteria.

Someone being a bit mean cannot be legislated against.

saltinesandcoffeecups · 01/08/2024 16:17

Shiningstar80 · 01/08/2024 16:10

Im not that ridiculous to think that any word could be accused of bullying. I’m talking about very obvious cases. If there is evidence of it then those that can’t control themselves and what they type shouldn’t be allowed to have social media.
i don’t think it’s ridiculous as you say if it prevents both adults and children from having abuse hurled at them.

That’s just it though… adults surely have agency to step away from SM if this is happening. And parents have the responsibility for both teaching the same and enforcing it for their children.

Online harassment can and has been punished by law. So there is already a mechanism. Hurty words by some rando on the internet should be treated the same as hurty words said in public. I mean the police and courts don’t ban people from public spaces do they? Individual places can ban people just like SM sites can.

cupcaske123 · 01/08/2024 16:16

TinkerTiger · 01/08/2024 16:10

Yes, usually for making death threats or racially abusive remarks or the like. A 'nasty comment' isn’t necessarily that, and is highly subjective

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Not necessarily some have been prosecuted for online stalking and harassment. I doubt the OP is talking about a single nasty comment. Bullying is categorised as repeated behaviour. I also think you can get prosecuted for being part of mobbing.

Shiningstar80 · 01/08/2024 16:14

TinkerTiger · 01/08/2024 16:12

Ok well it wasn’t clear from your OP exactly what you meant.

I realise I didn’t word it properly 😂

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Shiningstar80 · 01/08/2024 16:14

Plimsoll73 · 01/08/2024 16:12

We'd lose 90% of Mumsnet posters if that were the case.

Very true! Actually I saw a thread yesterday and one particular person was literally harassing the OP and saying things about her dead dad. Some people are sick

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