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To think entertainers should not pick people out of the crowd

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Theoneandonlyone · 01/08/2024 10:50

We’re on an all inclusive holiday and each night there has been entertainment. Every night the entertainer has picked someone from the crowd and mostly they’re up for it. 2 nights the person has said no and the entertainer has made them and encouraged the crowd to clap them until they get on stage.

This has caused my 10 year old daughter serious anxiety and she’s begged me to take her home during last nights magician. She has refused to go tonight. Can’t say I blame her. She’s terrified of being picked and I feel the same.

Surely in this day and age, an entertainer must understand the differences between introverts and extroverts.

its made me quite cross and I’m considering mentioning it to the hotel.

am I being unreasonable to think they should ask for a volunteer. Not select and bully on to the stage?

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Didimum · 05/08/2024 15:27

I'm not sure what your OP is asking – that entertainers shouldn't pick people out or they shouldn't continue to encourage them after they've said no? I think the latter is the unreasonable one, not the former.

It's a good learning opportunity for your daughter to stand her ground (and presumably you are there too to back her up?). She still come across many scenarios in life where she might be badgered into something she doesn't want to do.

LlynTegid · 05/08/2024 13:11

I agree with you OP. In part because quite often such entertainment is filmed, with or without the entertainer's knowledge.

ChildlessCatLadiesRuleOK · 05/08/2024 13:08

JacquesHarlow · 01/08/2024 11:05

Ignorant.... ha!

Yours is such a fatuous comparison. Don't dismiss my argument by introducing one which is so clearly specious@C1N1C

Let me break it down for you.

You can grow up in society knowing stealing is wrong. That is innate, and taught from pre-school. Everyone gets this information.

However you can be in an industry like the redcoat / entertainment one, and not understand the 'introvert/extrovert' spectrum.

So in your theft example, there is no excuse for not knowing.

In the entertainment example, there is a small excuse for not understanding.

Otherwise why does ANY industry in 2024 still have tons of diversity training, lots of training about how to work with different personality types?

People don't need specialist training to recognise and understand the word 'no'.

BuggedOut · 05/08/2024 13:07

Urgh, I'm totally with you on this. I attended a " mentalist/ hypnosis " show recently where I knew there would be a fair amount of participation involved as it relies on people to make the show. I believed this would be entirely voluntary and therefore, as a introverted person with anxiety didn't have any misgivings about attending. I couldn't have been more wrong. We were picked out one by one and made to participate in silly dancing/ mind games/ hypnotized to believe we were a contestant in a game show/ bantered with and told to tell a funny joke.... On and on all night. It was horrible. The extroverted types loved it, but I wasn't the only one looking like they wanted the ground to swallow them up. I spent the entire night sweating about when it was my turn to go the front.

BunnyLake · 05/08/2024 12:51

JacquesHarlow · 01/08/2024 11:05

Ignorant.... ha!

Yours is such a fatuous comparison. Don't dismiss my argument by introducing one which is so clearly specious@C1N1C

Let me break it down for you.

You can grow up in society knowing stealing is wrong. That is innate, and taught from pre-school. Everyone gets this information.

However you can be in an industry like the redcoat / entertainment one, and not understand the 'introvert/extrovert' spectrum.

So in your theft example, there is no excuse for not knowing.

In the entertainment example, there is a small excuse for not understanding.

Otherwise why does ANY industry in 2024 still have tons of diversity training, lots of training about how to work with different personality types?

Why would a red coat/ entertainer not understand that some people are introverted and some extroverted? It’s not rocket science is it!

fatphalange · 05/08/2024 12:41

Just tell her that they wouldn't do that to a child and not to worry. They do try it on with the adults, I agree.
Reassure her that if in the unlikely scenario she is picked to 'volunteer' then you as the parent will give a firm 'no'.

JackRabbitSlim · 05/08/2024 12:36

I had this happen to me in one of the Dungeons, can't remember which. I wouldn't go back now, I was at the back of the group and obviously trying to avoid being singled out, which I suppose may have made me more of a target, but you would hope that someone obviously looking worried and keeping out the way would be left alone!
It's fine to ask, but the first "no" should be accepted, I'm sure in such audiences there are plenty people who would love to go on stage without forcing someone who is clearly uncomfortable.

Nailproblems · 05/08/2024 12:33

In the waiting area for Lapland U.K. there’s FAR too much participation/ interaction from the characters there they seemed to pick out certain’big folk’ it was horrendous I literally had to go and hide (I’m autistic) I was terrified of being targeted as they were relentless and very over the top

Schoolchoicesucks · 05/08/2024 12:30

I agree people should be free to say no and it's unfair and uncomfortable to watch if a "no" isn't accepted and a person is co-erced.

I'm sure there would be volunteers.
I would also hate to be picked out of an audience/crowd for something like this.

In your shoes, I would reassure your daughter that if she was picked, you would absolutely stand up for her and say that she doesn't want to and doesn't have to go up there. Any entertainer who purposely tried to make a child uncomfortable about that is a shit entertainer and I would make a complaint.

Namechangeforthis88 · 05/08/2024 12:27

I live in a city that is currently overrun with street performers. I've noticed over the last couple of years that when they have a child participate they also check that the parents/accompanying adults are okay with it, so presumably there is a safeguarding policy.

taxguru · 05/08/2024 12:27

Epicaricacy · 05/08/2024 12:18

waste the first 30 minutes going around the room making everyone introduce themselves and gave some information.

I disagree with you here, just asking for your name and a few professional details is not asking you to become a circus act or even put you on the spot. In a professional setting, what's the issue.

The issue is that it's completely irrelevant. I can kind of understand it if you're going to be working together in groups/collaboratively etc., as then it's good to know something about the people you'll be working with. But when it's a lecture, it's completely pointless and just wasting time.

marshlellow · 05/08/2024 12:19

I absolutely hate this sort of thing so agree with you. And if they've said no then No means No

Epicaricacy · 05/08/2024 12:18

waste the first 30 minutes going around the room making everyone introduce themselves and gave some information.

I disagree with you here, just asking for your name and a few professional details is not asking you to become a circus act or even put you on the spot. In a professional setting, what's the issue.

taxguru · 05/08/2024 12:03

Definitely should respect your decision. If you say no, then no it is and they should move on. They certainly shouldn't bully you or make a big deal out of it.

I'm exactly the same and hate it, and I'm 60! I've adopted various strategies, such as "being busy" with say a camcorder, so clearly giving off the "go away" vibe as they approach. Or in one case, in Austria, they were coming around doing local dancing with everyone and I just stood up and went to the loo as they approached. More recently, I just give them a firm head shake and a "look" if they seem to be heading my way and most just walk past. If they don't then it's a very firm "no"!

I've started being the same with professional training courses. You know the kind of madness where they waste the first 30 minutes going around the room making everyone introduce themselves and gave some information. I just now firmly say "no, I'm not doing that". Funnily enough, I've noticed other people doing the same now. Just get on with the sodding course!

I think as you get older, you're less willing to put up with this kind of nonsense and certainly less willing to put up with being bullied/forced into something you don't want to do.

ClareBlue · 05/08/2024 11:52

Completely agree. First no they should move on. And can we add dancing at weddings or any event to the list where no means no to participation.

Emmz1510 · 05/08/2024 11:47

I would mention it to the hotel. It’s not acceptable and it certainly shouldn’t be causing a child anxiety. I also would hate this, but I like to think that if I just vigorously shook my head no they would accept that and move on instead of badgering people till they give in.

Izzynohopanda · 01/08/2024 11:45

Totally agree. If the person refuses, they should ‘t be pressurised in joining in, or made fun of for not joining in. They should just move on.

mitogoshi · 01/08/2024 11:43

On our cruise last winter they asked for volunteers during the break for the "game show" slot and went through what would be asked of them, I was asked, refused and they went onto the next table. The entertainers in the hotels tend to be a bit more pushy but not with the kids, it was hands up for them

FadedRed · 01/08/2024 11:41

Totally agree, no one should feel forced to do this, but are you sure this is not a ‘set-up’ and the supposedly reluctant pressed-man is not the Magician’s stooge, silting in the audience to trick you in to thinking they’re not part of the act? It’s a common practice with stage magicians, and the show of reluctance is all part of the act.

Bananalanacake · 01/08/2024 11:39

On a cruise this year and there was a comedy/ magic act. The comedian wanted 3 adult volunteers and only asked those who put their hands up, it was a big theatre. Surely this is the way to do it.

Theoneandonlyone · 01/08/2024 11:36

Beezknees · 01/08/2024 11:27

I think you're the one who doesn't understand the difference between introverts and extroverts. I'm a extrovert but I would hate to be chosen to go up on stage. Extroversion simply means you gain energy from spending time around people, it doesn't mean you want all attention on you. Can't believe that people still don't understand this!

Anyway, aside from that YANBU.

I do understand that, trust me. Human nature is massively complex and can not be simply put into 2 categories. It was a simple way of differentiating the person that likes to go on stage and one that doesn’t. How would I have phrased it better? Genuinely interested to know! Thanks

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Beeinalily · 01/08/2024 11:31

Yanbu. I was reading recently about the York Dungeons, they have actors and interactive scenarios, but they've said to let them know if you don't want to be picked and they'll make sure you're not (I don't know how, perhaps a badge or something?). On stage is a bit different though, as PPs have said he should just ask for volunteers.

Beezknees · 01/08/2024 11:27

I think you're the one who doesn't understand the difference between introverts and extroverts. I'm a extrovert but I would hate to be chosen to go up on stage. Extroversion simply means you gain energy from spending time around people, it doesn't mean you want all attention on you. Can't believe that people still don't understand this!

Anyway, aside from that YANBU.

C1N1C · 01/08/2024 11:24

JacquesHarlow · 01/08/2024 11:05

Ignorant.... ha!

Yours is such a fatuous comparison. Don't dismiss my argument by introducing one which is so clearly specious@C1N1C

Let me break it down for you.

You can grow up in society knowing stealing is wrong. That is innate, and taught from pre-school. Everyone gets this information.

However you can be in an industry like the redcoat / entertainment one, and not understand the 'introvert/extrovert' spectrum.

So in your theft example, there is no excuse for not knowing.

In the entertainment example, there is a small excuse for not understanding.

Otherwise why does ANY industry in 2024 still have tons of diversity training, lots of training about how to work with different personality types?

No means no. You seriously want me to believe that out of ALL the industries, that performers don't realise INNATELY that there are some people who don't like being on stage?
They push it because it makes them look bad if no-one comes on stage. Imagine if no-one volunteered to go up for a magician's trick... their show would fail.

From primary school, you can see, without diversity training (God that's such a cop-out), that there are people who don't like being picked for things.

Your reply was rude. I merely extrapolated your response as your justification could be used for anything. Any time someone says no, outside the realms of legality, it should mean no, without the need for your lazy excuse of 'training'.

Theoneandonlyone · 01/08/2024 11:14

G123456789 · 01/08/2024 10:55

Was it an adult picked, if so then they can still refuse...were they completely embarrassed?
I think you should explain to your daughter that it's ok to say no. And that you will back her. That some people like to be picked and are show offs and some don't...

Yes, we had a long discussion around how some people loved it and it’s absolutely fine to say no. That was the first time it happened.

The second time was an adult who said no but he got the crowd clapping and she eventually got up. That was the point in which we left.

Ref diversity training. Surely not required and basic human knowledge. My daughter knows the difference between introverts and extraverts and has done since she was much younger. I get that it’s probably because she’s an introvert and we’ve discussed it. I also appreciate that all entertainers will be extraverts and probably not have had in depth conversations with their parents about why things are harder for them than others. However, it’s impossible to get to adulthood and not understand that the thought of getting on a stage is sheer horror for some people!?

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