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DC4 accused of being racist

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mickyhouse · 01/08/2024 08:45

I was approached by a parent recently who informed me that her DC had been complaining that my DC had been hitting her DC regularly and had said that he does not like him, because of the colour of his skin.

I'm absolutely shocked and saddened by this and had words with my child of course. I have no idea where this came from. We are definitely not racist and he would never have heard something like that from us at home.

I've also come to find out that the aggrieved DC's child's parents have basically been raising questions about us as a family and whether we are racist to other parents.

I know the parent has spoken to the school, but the school hasn't mentioned any of this to us at all.

In any case, I had a big chat with my child and apologised to the family etc.

We feel upset that this has happened and also just don't understand why our child would say something like that at all. I could see our child pointing out a difference in skin colour, but to actually use the difference as a reason to dislike someone - does not seem like a thing they would be able to do at barely 4. I've not seen it personally at all. I'm not saying I don't believe the child who made the accusation, however, maybe there was a misunderstanding. The children are barely 4.

Has anyone had experience with a similar situation ?

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oiltrader · 01/08/2024 10:07

Sounds like a learned behaviour x

Lentilweaver · 01/08/2024 10:04

mickyhouse · 01/08/2024 10:00

Well, I'm not saying it wasn't said. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. But I'm not happy that this mum is going around telling other people and raising questions about us. I think that's wrong.

I agree. I am brown and if my child was the target of supposed racism, I would raise it with the school only. In absolute confidence. Especially in these times! And especially with small children who are unreliable narrators.

Carouselfish · 01/08/2024 10:04

My daughter said something at a similar age with no prompts from home or school. We said how ridiculous, talked about it, likening it to eye colour and she moved on. It is trying ideas about difference out. Working multi-ethnicities into toys and books naturally from then on, you being aware you're doing it, her not being aware but just accepting it as normal is the way forward.

mickyhouse · 01/08/2024 10:03

SaintHonoria · 01/08/2024 10:01

It's the word of one four year old against another four year old in the absence of the school verifying or even mentioning the situation, yet you have chosen to believe the word of the other child and his parents!

Wow! Your poor child.

I don't really believe either child.

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mickyhouse · 01/08/2024 10:03

Llamasinjamas · 01/08/2024 10:00

Oh OP. I am sorry you are in this position. In future, if this mum or any other parent complains to you directly about your child (and school hasn't mentioned anything to you) , tell that parent to address their concerns with the teacher/school directly and not with you. Tell them you weren't there when whatever they allege took place and the school hasn't contacted you about it either, and therefore you don't want act on something a 4 year old has told her, which may or may not be accurate. Say hopefully the adults who were there would be able to shed light on the matter and address any concerns they have and they'd speak to you if required. Parents shouldn't be ambushing other parents like this based on something their child has told them, which may or may not be accurate. There is a process to follow and they need to follow that process and you need to let them know this. Keep repeating, "speak to the teachers". My guess is the mum would have spoken to the teachers and the teachers must have said nothing of that sort happened and the mum is now trying to bully you. If the school hasn't spoken to you about an incident, don't take another child's word (or their parent's) word over your own child's, just direct the parent to the school.

That's what I said to the mum. I said I will make sure to speak to my child and I'm sorry this has happened, but it's important she tells the school. She said the school only intervene when it's really extreme.

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SaintHonoria · 01/08/2024 10:01

It's the word of one four year old against another four year old in the absence of the school verifying or even mentioning the situation, yet you have chosen to believe the word of the other child and his parents!

Wow! Your poor child.

mickyhouse · 01/08/2024 10:00

TinklySnail · 01/08/2024 09:59

You need to speak to the school. You need to ascertain whether it actually happened or not.
Just because a 4 year old said it happened doesn’t make it an accurate representation of what occurred

Well, I'm not saying it wasn't said. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. But I'm not happy that this mum is going around telling other people and raising questions about us. I think that's wrong.

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Llamasinjamas · 01/08/2024 10:00

Oh OP. I am sorry you are in this position. In future, if this mum or any other parent complains to you directly about your child (and school hasn't mentioned anything to you) , tell that parent to address their concerns with the teacher/school directly and not with you. Tell them you weren't there when whatever they allege took place and the school hasn't contacted you about it either, and therefore you don't want act on something a 4 year old has told her, which may or may not be accurate. Say hopefully the adults who were there would be able to shed light on the matter and address any concerns they have and they'd speak to you if required. Parents shouldn't be ambushing other parents like this based on something their child has told them, which may or may not be accurate. There is a process to follow and they need to follow that process and you need to let them know this. Keep repeating, "speak to the teachers". My guess is the mum would have spoken to the teachers and the teachers must have said nothing of that sort happened and the mum is now trying to bully you. If the school hasn't spoken to you about an incident, don't take another child's word (or their parent's) word over your own child's, just direct the parent to the school.

TinklySnail · 01/08/2024 09:59

You need to speak to the school. You need to ascertain whether it actually happened or not.
Just because a 4 year old said it happened doesn’t make it an accurate representation of what occurred

mickyhouse · 01/08/2024 09:58

Butwhybecause · 01/08/2024 09:53

The children are barely 4

So it's not racist, it's an immature reaction. Has he met any other children of different ethnicities or is this the first child he has met?

Can you make friends with the Mum and perhaps invite the little boy over to play with yours? Encourage them to make friends.

He has lots of friends of different colours and always has.. We live in a multicultural area.

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RBowmama · 01/08/2024 09:57

Your child is probably not being racist but noticing the difference and pointing it out. You can imagine how this plays out as your child gets older if you didn't have the conversations. Definitely highlights the need to have these bigger conversations and maybe some age appropriate books on inclusion.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 01/08/2024 09:53

Mine was told by another kid in class, an older, very assertive one (also happened to have parents who were both police officers, so no surprise there).

It never happened again - not only was DD put straight in a 'That's a really mean thing to say - oh, Georgina told you? I think we need to have a little chat with Miss Teacher because Georgina shouldn't be saying horrible stuff about other people' way, the teacher acted on it.

Butwhybecause · 01/08/2024 09:53

The children are barely 4

So it's not racist, it's an immature reaction. Has he met any other children of different ethnicities or is this the first child he has met?

Can you make friends with the Mum and perhaps invite the little boy over to play with yours? Encourage them to make friends.

Lentilweaver · 01/08/2024 09:52

Yes don't panic. 4 year old are at the stage where they notice differences.

tunainatin · 01/08/2024 09:49

My child was slightly older when he said he didn't like a child due to their skin colour. I was shocked, especially given we are a mixed race family ourselves! At that age it is innocent, and perhaps fear of something they see as unfamiliar and can easily be corrected by gentle explanation.

saraclara · 01/08/2024 09:48

You're over thinking this. You've had a chat with your son, and that's all you can do. At 4 a child is at the stage of working out similarities and differences. The hitting is wrong, but noticing skin colour and mentioning it, is not racism at four years old. My DGD did similar in looking at a photo of me sitting with a group of black African women on my holiday to their country. She was just trying to puzzle out who they could be, because they were 'different'.

Talk to the school, just to let them know you're aware, and to check in about the hitting. But otherwise relax.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 01/08/2024 09:44

@mickyhouse When she was just 5 years old, my grandaughter expressed a dislike for "black mummies and daddies"!!!! this hatred stemmed from seeing all the adverts on tv about starving children in africa!! she, in her logical mind, blamed the mummies and daddies for not going to the supermarket and thus starving their children!!

Seaglassandchampagne · 01/08/2024 09:43

I would speak to the school to see if they can shed any light. It may be as much a misunderstanding as anything.

Also - don’t panic. Children say inappropriate things without realising the broader context all the time. They do notice visual differences and might use that as a basis for saying they don’t like something - lots of children fear differences to begin with. It doesn’t mean he’s racist, he’s just learning how to be a human.

I wouldn’t express any feelings of disappointment etc. to him, but you could start working into your conversations with him some discussion of how people across the world have different skin / hair etc and isn’t it wonderful to live in a world of such beautiful diversity etc. I would also incorporate some children’s books with characters of all different races, just so he’s seeing a lot of positive depictions. There are a few I like - Perfectly Imperfect Meera, Sulwe, Hair Love, Soon Your Hands, I Can Write the World, We’re Different We’re the Same.

LottieMary · 01/08/2024 09:41

Not minimising and absolutely have the important conversations but I do also think four year olds will also pick whatever makes someone different when they say they don’t like someone. Sometimes that’s skin colour, sometimes home situation, glasses, wrong colour T-shirts. It’s not always as sinister.

Heavyboom · 01/08/2024 09:41

We had a very challenging back child at a school in worked at. He was very badly behaved and nasty to everyone, and every time the school disciplined him or the children struck back, parents would complain it was because of his skin colour.

You (and we) don't know what's happened here. Talk to the school and find out. Racism in schools is such a huge issue, that if the school felt there was a problem with your DC, I'm sure you'd have heard about it.

mickyhouse · 01/08/2024 09:40

Fedup369 · 01/08/2024 09:34

Whether it happened or not, now might be a good time to buy some kids books about race. And making sure your child understands we are all equals, even if your child does have a slight favour towards his own race right now at 4 you can fix that, he's young enough for you to teach him the correct way.

if he did say it it's probably just because it's different. Although maybe the other parent assumed it was racial issue rather than you your child just dosnt like her child because of their personality. Which is very possible

as parents sometimes we fail to see how anyone might not think our little darling isn't fabulous is everyone's eyes. Sad but true

He said he wishes he had dark skin. I don't think he favours his own skin colour.

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LadyKenya · 01/08/2024 09:38

Seconding what @Fedup369 said. There are books available for children, featuring children of all ethnicities.

Fedup369 · 01/08/2024 09:34

Whether it happened or not, now might be a good time to buy some kids books about race. And making sure your child understands we are all equals, even if your child does have a slight favour towards his own race right now at 4 you can fix that, he's young enough for you to teach him the correct way.

if he did say it it's probably just because it's different. Although maybe the other parent assumed it was racial issue rather than you your child just dosnt like her child because of their personality. Which is very possible

as parents sometimes we fail to see how anyone might not think our little darling isn't fabulous is everyone's eyes. Sad but true

PinkSkiesAtNight · 01/08/2024 09:32

My DS at around that age came home once and said he didn't like a girl in his class as she was 'yellow'. The girl is caucasian, with an olive complexion. As a PP said, it's a childish fear/awareness of differences, without the ability to express that in an appropriate way. We talked a lot about how people have different skin colours, tones, backgrounds from different places. DS hasn't ever said anything similar again.

Talking to your child should be sufficient.
Edited to add: we live in an area with not many different cultures. It was just a lack of understanding and awareness.

AngleClara · 01/08/2024 09:30

I'm mixed race with a black mother, and even as a child, my parents told me that I didn't like my mum's friend's husband- and I used to say that he was 'silver' (he just had darker skin).

You've apologised and spoken to your child. I don't think anyone thinks that you're racist. There's nothing else to do, besides maybe be proactive and speak to teachers and ask if there's been any further incidents.

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