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MIL massive stroke 3 days before holiday

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NoSourDough · 01/08/2024 08:35

We are due to fly to Greece tomorrow evening.

MIL (79) had a serious (second) stroke on Tuesday morning. The first one was 2 years ago, she has been bed ridden since that first one with limited speech and mobility.

We saw her Sunday morning and she was fine (she was still living at home with my BIL and carers coming in 4 times a day) but sadly had another stroke on Tuesday.

Shes in hospital and unresponsive, consultant yesterday said it’s doubtful she will come out of hospital. It’s palliative now however a waiting game.

DH morally cannot leave his brother or MIL and come on holiday (understandably). Travel insurance will not cover this third party event (we have checked).

We have a 12 year old DD who has never been on a plane before and has been looking forward to this holiday for months.

DH insists that I should take her whilst he stays here. I feel like MIL could be in this condition for weeks, perhaps he could come but I understand that would be unreasonable. His brother is telling him to come but DH won’t do it.

Should I travel alone for 10 days to Greece with DD? What would you do?

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LAMPS1 · 01/08/2024 11:45

You sound like a lovely family who communicate well.
Your husband is leading the way with confidence and I would be grateful for that.
So I would echo his attitude and make the best of the situation for your daughter. I would go and hope that DH feels he can join you after a few days, depending on his mother’s condition.
Good luck OP - think of it as an adventure, just the two of you.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 01/08/2024 11:44

Merryhobnobs · 01/08/2024 10:57

My friends Mum was in a similar situation healthwise, she had a stroke, then a more significant one that led to palliative care. 8 months later she had another one and then another 2 months after that she died. I don't think you should put your life on hold, this could be quick but it could also be long. Make your peace and go. I got a phone call recently to say my grandparent had been taken into hospital very ill and she was not going to agree to treatment. I travelled to visit and whilst she was pleased to see me she told me that my job was to look after my kids. We shared stories and I showed her photos. She emphatically said when I was leaving that I wasn't to be sad she was content. 10 days later she died. I didn't feel guilty that I had not dropped everything to visit again. We had peace.

Also don't put expectations on yourself for the holiday, go enjoy sunshine and ice cream and take each day as it comes and just play it by ear. It can still be a good holiday even if you don't do heaps of things and will give you the energy you need for any thing that needs taken care of when you come home.

Im sorry for what your family is going through.

This is exactly what happened with one of our elderly relatives, two in fact, thinking about it. Each time the family had a long time to prepare for what was going to happen. The hardest thing was to be on watch for it and there were several crisis points where they prepared for the worst and then it wasn't.

Of course it is a gamble, but I think if you DH is ok with you going, you've explored options and thought it through, I would be guided by him. You have time to visit with DD before you go I presume. Even if it happens whilst you are away he knows he has your support and you will be with him soon. You can easily keep in touch in phonecalls and facetimes if he needs it. It really isn't like you are abandoning him. This is part of a two year illness, familiy been supporting each other throughout. They know you will be coming back and doing the same. I believe it's the support afterwards when people are coming to terms with it all and dealing with practical things - that takes more than a week or two and that is significant and you will be there to do that.

Your DH and BIL are there, supporting MIL and each other. He is representing your family unit.
I think having you looking after DD on holiday is one less thing for him to worry about as a pp said.

If it was me, I'd want my children and grandchildren to carry on with their lives. There would have been a lot of contact in the run up to this. If someone has been that ill, in reality you've been saying goodbye to them many times and when they were still able to communicate.

If the same scenario had happened in our case, we would have been told by the relative's spouse and indeed the relative (if they'd been able to speak) to continue with the holiday plan.

Wishing you well whatever your decision Flowers

Apolloneuro · 01/08/2024 11:41

The update about your MIL’s treatment of your husband makes me even more think your place is by his side, not on holiday.

Her passing may bring up all sorts of emotions in him. I think you should be with him. The fact that he is telling you to go is testimony to what a great guy he is, not necessarily that it’s the right thing to do, especially if he himself isn’t in the best of health.

i appreciate your daughter will be disappointed, but at times like this I think families stick together.

That’s just my opinion, only because you asked.

edited to add that I agree that your husband should go with you. I’m not against the holiday: just leaving him alone.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 01/08/2024 11:40

NoTouch · 01/08/2024 11:38

She wouldn't be staying for her MIL she would be staying to support her dh, who feels he must stay, during a very difficult time.

I couldn't bring myself to abandon my dh in these circumstances for a jolly.

Well, I think the husband should go on holiday as well. His brother has said he should go.

Lifeomars · 01/08/2024 11:40

Go, good for you and your child to be away, there is very little that you can actually do by staying and I am sure your MIL would want her grandchild to have a holiday. I am sorry that you and your family are going through this

user98265374687 · 01/08/2024 11:39

I think in your circumstances i would go, and encourage DH to come too but accept his decision if he doesn’t want to.
MIL may go on for months yet. Our neighbour had a massive stroke but still survived, unconcious for nearly 3 months. Was awful for his poor family.

NoTouch · 01/08/2024 11:38

IMustDoMoreExercise · 01/08/2024 10:50

Well, I wouldn't feel bad at all if I was the OP. The MIL was abusive to her sons and they owe her nothing.

She wouldn't be staying for her MIL she would be staying to support her dh, who feels he must stay, during a very difficult time.

I couldn't bring myself to abandon my dh in these circumstances for a jolly.

Astonmaid · 01/08/2024 11:29

Go

Lemony3 · 01/08/2024 11:27

Yes go. He can join you if she passes and feels he needs your support or time out. I’m a single parent and take my children abroad alone. It’s actually great bonding time.

Lampshadeblue · 01/08/2024 11:25

If your husband says he doesn’t need your support then I think it’s ok to go. Does your daughter really still want to go though? I’m not sure at 12 whether I could have been able to go have a jolly time while knowing my grandmother could be dying. Maybe check with her?

TwoShades1 · 01/08/2024 11:15

I think it’s a very personal decision. It’s not wrong for you and DD to go on the holiday without DH and it’s not wrong if you prefer to stay. I think how close you were with MIL and how close your child was and if she will want to see her etc, will factor into your decision.

99problemsandthetimeis1 · 01/08/2024 11:14

Wishimaywishimight · 01/08/2024 10:31

@99problemsandthetimeis1 I see what you're saying and I do understand that viewpoint. I just feel, personally, that what the OP thinks of her MIL is not all that relevant, it's just being there and available for her DH and her daughter.

I get that people see things differently though and what I wanted in my family and relationship would not be the right thing for everyone.

@MissScarletInTheBallroom Just with regard to your comment about the dying person needing to say whether they wanted someone there holding her hand, in the later stages of dying the person may not be conscious enough, or at all, to make these decisions. Even if conscious, it is a lot to expect a person going through this to make any decisions, they are frail and vulnerable. Before watching my dad die, I really did not know what it was like at the end.

What the OP thinks of her MIL is relevant if her DH knows her feelings and they would bother him. It's so personal. He might be like you and just want his closest people near him regardless, or he might only want people there who can relate to how he's feeling. The fact that he knows he hasn't had a straightforward parent/child relationship complicates matters and makes it very difficult for those of us on the outside to predict.

I think it's important that this is led by her DH. Only the OP can know if her DH is genuinely saying to go away on holiday or if he's trying to put on a brave face and really means 'please don't go, I desperately need you by my side.'

It's a stereotype, but men are more likely to say what they mean. So, as he's already told the OP to go, he may well not need/want her there right now.

Cattyisbatty · 01/08/2024 11:12

We went away a few years ago when FIL was near the end of life (had dementia so wasn’t aware of anyone really). He had been for months and he hung on for a week after we got back so we were all glad we went. I didn’t pressure dh to come, but he did. in fact I was also checking insurance, but we weren’t covered as they don’t cover pre-existing conditions of relatives.
You should def go w DC.

Divasaurus · 01/08/2024 11:11

saraclara · 01/08/2024 11:00

His heart isn't about to be broken. His mother was cruel and abusive.

My DH’s mother was cruel and abusive but she was still his mother. On the night she died he cried himself to sleep in my arms and his emotions from dealing with that plus some other things going on his life at the time prompted a nervous breakdown and psychotic episode for which he had to be hospitalised. There is no way in hell I would ever leave someone I profess to love to deal with something like that on his/her own.

Roselilly36 · 01/08/2024 11:11

You will be safe in Greece with your DD, I would say. Depends if you feel confident about it. Assuming DH will have support of other family members and he is 100% happy with you going, it’s just a few days. DH might want to come to terms with his mums situation on his own.

Pluvia · 01/08/2024 11:10

I'd say go. Talk to DH about it: make it clear that this is what you intend to do and check that he really is relaxed about it. Sometimes people say what they think they ought to say rather than what they really mean and you need to be sure that he's not secretly hoping you'll stay.

If he's being honest, go and have a good time and free your DH up to spend time with his family and mourn without having to worry about you and DD or feel bad about ruining your holiday plans. It will be the best thing for all of you.

Go in the spirit of making the best of it for your daughter and having a special time with her. If I was your MIL I'd be appalled at the idea of you losing out on your holiday because of me and would definitely want you to go. It'll be good for your daughter to have something new and different and rising to the challenge of holidaying alone with her will be good for you, too. Have a lovely time.

ringmybe11 · 01/08/2024 11:07

I would try jet2 again and see if there's anything they can do to move it even if there's a cost or some sort of compromise you need to make. I think it's clear that there are people on here that would go anyway under the circumstances or not so only you can decide what's right for your family. All I can add is that I wouldn't worry about travelling on your own with your daughter. I remember going on holiday as a child with my mum and sister as my dad couldn't get time off work. I think the question is whether you could enjoy yourselves in the circumstances.

Hesma · 01/08/2024 11:06

You’ll be fine travelling alone. As a single parent I have to otherwise we’d never do anything. My to
are either side of yours age wise and it’s much easier now than when they were little. I’d go but let DH stay

saraclara · 01/08/2024 11:03

Unfortunate timing, having lost a parent myself I would never even consider leaving my dh to deal with potentially losing a parent alone. His difficult relationship with his mum will just make the emotions even harder for him.

Not in my experience. When my abusive mum died I felt nothing. And my brother likewise. We went through the motions of dealing with her death together. And I would 100% have told my DH and kids to go on holiday if the kids had been that age.

Livingmybestlifenow · 01/08/2024 11:02

NoSourDough · 01/08/2024 08:41

To add also - the reason why this isn’t covered on travel insurance is because we paid through the nose for our insurance (£500!) as my DH has an undiagnosed lung or heart issue at the moment. We really struggled to get insurance. Typically we found one which was fantastic on the health front but not so good on this type of eventuallity. Plus we had to leave it until the last minute as he is still having tests. It’s just bad luck all round.

Not really related to your dilemma but if you do decide you are going without DH and you paid for insurance in the last 14 days you may be able to get a refund and buy standard travel insurance for yourself and DD.

ijustneedtokeepbreathing · 01/08/2024 11:01

Go. It sounds like your husband has got this and he has his brother with him.

And you will be absolutely fine travelling in Greece just you and your DD.

Please just go.

saraclara · 01/08/2024 11:00

Divasaurus · 01/08/2024 09:51

Jesus, some really cold comments on here - the girl’s grandmother/OP’s husband’s mother is about to pass away! I couldn’t go away and have ‘fun’ whilst my husband’s heart was about to be broken.

His heart isn't about to be broken. His mother was cruel and abusive.

Wannabedisneyprincess · 01/08/2024 10:58

My FIL had just moved into a palliative care unit last year when we were due to go away, my MIL insisted we still all went and he hung on for another 4 weeks after we got back

Merryhobnobs · 01/08/2024 10:57

My friends Mum was in a similar situation healthwise, she had a stroke, then a more significant one that led to palliative care. 8 months later she had another one and then another 2 months after that she died. I don't think you should put your life on hold, this could be quick but it could also be long. Make your peace and go. I got a phone call recently to say my grandparent had been taken into hospital very ill and she was not going to agree to treatment. I travelled to visit and whilst she was pleased to see me she told me that my job was to look after my kids. We shared stories and I showed her photos. She emphatically said when I was leaving that I wasn't to be sad she was content. 10 days later she died. I didn't feel guilty that I had not dropped everything to visit again. We had peace.

Also don't put expectations on yourself for the holiday, go enjoy sunshine and ice cream and take each day as it comes and just play it by ear. It can still be a good holiday even if you don't do heaps of things and will give you the energy you need for any thing that needs taken care of when you come home.

Conkersinautumn · 01/08/2024 10:57

I'd take your child, this is important to your DH and he isn't alone. A bittersweet break is still a break and it'll give your child a chance to frame emotions whilst not having to try to 'protect' DH

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