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to think he should not have called me a c*nt!

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stressedout1994 · 01/08/2024 07:36

Morning all,

Last night I was cycling home from a friend's house. I forgot my lights, so cycled when it was still relatively light, but by the time I was within about 10 minutes of my flat it was quite dark and the roads were busy. I wouldn't normally do this but the roads near my flat are really busy and people drive really fast, so I started cycling on the pavement as they are relatively wide and no one was around.

There was a man on the pavement outside a shop. There was plenty of room to manoeuvre on either side of him, and I slowed down and moved my handlebars to move to the left. So he moved to the left. So I moved my handlebars to move to the right, and he moved to the right. I stopped, planning to get off my bike and wheel it past him.

He shouted 'just fuck off, fuck off!' I was shocked, and involuntarily scowled. He then shouted 'yes that's right just fuck off, don't fucking scowl at me you cunt!'

I just stood still looking at him and then he went into the shop. I then cycled past.

I know I was in the wrong for cycling on the pavement (even if very slowly and only when no-one around) but I think his reaction was completely out of order.

Side note: I have lived in London for 10 years, since uni, and I feel like in the last couple of years there have been more and more people behaving erratically or threateningly. On the rest of my ride home I saw no fewer than 4 men who were clearly unwell shouting in the street, at themselves and others. I don't understand why nothing is done about this. I know lots of people say 'oooh, that's just LONDON, I don't bat an EYELID!', but I actually think that women should feel safe when walking round the capital city!

YABU - you shouldn't have been on the pavement, get some lights you silly moo

YANBU - you should never call a woman a cunt

OP posts:
ShanequaAndWhat · 01/08/2024 22:10

@Goldenbear I've just googled people just do nothing as not heard of it. I would say it's more of a midland/northern thing.We are also in agreement that it's used more now than previous, I don't think that's anything to do with women hating being mainstream. If anything it used to be much more mainstream. When I was a child it wasn't widely used but this has changed now for some time.

It's not about hating women. I'm a staunch feminist and do not see how or why people are so obsessed with nullifying or putting down a woman's private parts. They are strong and powerful, just like the word sounds due to its short, sharp nature. You can give it whatever narrative you like but that narrative is lesser and the years go on.

Goldenbear · 01/08/2024 22:07

saltinesandcoffeecups · 01/08/2024 21:57

I always love these threads…

OP: I’m going to explain why this totally wrong thing that I did was actually ok because of these special circumstances and I don’t deserve the natural consequences that I received
Posters:You are wrong
OP: No let me reexplain while I’m right
Posters: No you’re still wrong

The act of riding a bike on a pavement, oh my God so fucking shocking, when people are shocked about stuff like this and think the hostility is justified, it makes me always think they must have had a very sheltered life and live in some kind of Chocolate Box Village! An inoffensive women cautiously riding a bike, then getting off to accommodate this outraged man is so, so scary that this man can’t contain his outrage - grow up!

Goldenbear · 01/08/2024 22:00

ShanequaAndWhat · 01/08/2024 20:56

You're a bit of a cunt for this 😂😂😂

Cunt is a swear word some people like and some people don't. There's no need to make it any deeper than that. If you like it, you're not using it in a misogynistic way, it's long developed past its origins of female genitalia. If you don't like it, don't use it but as long as you enter public domain you will hear it because it's a fabulous word.

But to answer your question he was more unreasonable but what you did was not a safe thing to do.

Not in my world it isn’t and it was definitely not something that was said with any regularity in this country until quite recently and I grew up in a part of London where the comedy People Just Do Nothing was probably based upon! I suppose it’s all part of this move in society for women hating to be mainstream!

saltinesandcoffeecups · 01/08/2024 21:57

I always love these threads…

OP: I’m going to explain why this totally wrong thing that I did was actually ok because of these special circumstances and I don’t deserve the natural consequences that I received
Posters:You are wrong
OP: No let me reexplain while I’m right
Posters: No you’re still wrong

ShanequaAndWhat · 01/08/2024 20:56

stressedout1994 · 01/08/2024 08:09

I know that in this situation we were BOTH being unreasonable but my point is that he was being MORE unreasonable! I could tell from this man's demeanour he was just spoiling for a fight or some form of confrontation... had I wheeled my bike or even walked past he would have made some kind of comment.

@LoneHydrangea 'cunt' isn't just 'an insult, bandied about by many' it's the worst swear word because of misogyny. No one thinks 'cock' is as offensive.
A big man shouting that a woman is a 'cunt' in public is completely different to, say, me calling one of my male friends a 'tosser' in jest. He would not have called me a cunt if I was a man. He probably wouldn't have said anything if I was a man. He wanted to have a go at someone smaller than him, and I gave him that opportunity by riding on the pavement.

You're a bit of a cunt for this 😂😂😂

Cunt is a swear word some people like and some people don't. There's no need to make it any deeper than that. If you like it, you're not using it in a misogynistic way, it's long developed past its origins of female genitalia. If you don't like it, don't use it but as long as you enter public domain you will hear it because it's a fabulous word.

But to answer your question he was more unreasonable but what you did was not a safe thing to do.

Goldenbear · 01/08/2024 20:28

MyOtherCarisAVauxhallZafira · 01/08/2024 07:52

I grew up in London, you can't cycle on pavements even when it appears quiet go round a corner and there will be people even in the early hours, there are also a lot of absolutely nightmarish cyclist who endanger pedestrians daily. People will say he shouldn't have called you a cunt, but my experience of growing up in the east end is that people call it as they see it and cunt isn't some horrific term you only use to cause the utmost offence, I've regularly heard it as a term of endearment (not in this case I'm just giving context). No different to calling you a twat, and you were being twatty.

i grew up in London but the East End is not the only part of London and the C word was definitely not the equivalent of the word Twat!

Op, no, he shouldn’t have called you that at all; unfortunately some people can’t express themselves very well and resort to swearing all of the time.

paradisecircus · 01/08/2024 19:26

No, he shouldn't have called you that; it was abusive. It's not hard to say 'could you cycle on the road?' without swearing and name calling.

Indianajet · 01/08/2024 19:01

I checked with my eldest son whether I was right in my opinion of using that word (note I don't use it myself,) and was unsurprised to hear him completely agree with me . His words 'you have brought me up to respect women, and I know I would have to answer to you if I didn't- you are my mum!'

SprinkleOfSunak · 01/08/2024 16:32

@Fingerscrossed2015

Thank you for taking the time to send a kind message. This means a lot to us, especially considering I told a couple of ‘Mum friends’ who I do consider to be proper friends, and their responses weren’t what I was expecting.

One of them completely minimised the racism, and the other immediately questioned what my Husband did to provoke the ‘rudeness,’ she wouldn’t even refer to it as racism. Both changed the subject quickly too and moved onto something lighthearted. I’m now wary of both of these women as a result.

Lurkingandlearning · 01/08/2024 14:17

Nothing is done about people shouting, especially at themselves because our mental health services are stretched so thin they are barely functioning.

You shouldn’t be riding your bike without lights when vision is reduced. You should never be riding your bike on the pavement, but if you are going to because there is no one else on the pavement then you must get off and walk past anyone you do encounter.

I know this is a vain hope but I wish women would stop colluding with the view that a word for vagina is the filthiest thing you can call someone. It’s often said when someone is furious and not safe to challenge but the rest of the time I wish we would all say, Thank you very much, vaginas are amazing beautiful things aren’t they.

I just can’t think of a substitute for cunt as an insult. It definitely has a certain ring to it.

KreedKafer · 01/08/2024 11:49

YABVU to cycle on the pavement and without lights.

’Cunt’ is perfectly valid insult. I’m a woman and I’d call a man or a woman a cunt, if they were behaving like a cunt.

In fact, when I was witness to a crime in the street and had to make a witness statement, the police officer had to solemnly write down the sentence “I had a very brief exchange with the woman when she said ‘What’s this got to do with you, why are you calling the police?’ And I replied ‘Because I’ve just seen you hit someone in the face, you stupid fucking cunt”“.

Fingerscrossed2015 · 01/08/2024 11:46

SprinkleOfSunak · 01/08/2024 09:30

I also live in London and have also noticed how quickly people are becoming angry and full of rage, and it has definitely worsened since the lockdown.

I have also noticed a further spike in anger, and in people shouting and voicing their opinions and hurling abuse which is racial in tone since the general election in my area. A huge amount of people voted reform where I live, but fortunately they didn’t take the area - but did come second. I think this has bolstered the supporters to think they can say what they like, and act how they like, including in the grounds of my children’s Primary School.

My British Husband who was born here was racially abused a couple of weeks ago for the first time since living in London (19 years) - all due to the colour of his skin, and because some arsehole couldn’t immediately drive past as my Husband was parking. It really is terrible.

I’m so sorry that happened to you and your husband. That’s shocking behaviour. .

TizerorFizz · 01/08/2024 11:37

@Growlybear83 Yes. I agree. I meant that by choosing to use the pavement, cyclists are indicating pavement users do not matter to them. They should not be on pavements. When I was a child you simply never saw a cyclists doing this. They obeyed the law and had manners. It’s just how people were brought up. Now the arrogant cyclist is everywhere.

Fingerscrossed2015 · 01/08/2024 11:34

JJathome · 01/08/2024 10:09

I never understand when posters play the poor woman card. Factually men on men violence is way way more common than man to woman. So yes, it is more likely he’d have done it to a man , and likely worse.

Sorry but that’s a false argument. Men are more likely to commit violent acts against BOTH men and women. Also, it doesn’t follow that because men commit crimes against other men, a man is ‘just as likely’ to swear at a tall burly man as he is a normal woman. He’s far less likely to say the same things to a man because he’d be aware than the man is more likely to retaliate!

Fingerscrossed2015 · 01/08/2024 11:29

Growlybear83 · 01/08/2024 08:23

The man wasn't breaking the law and acting dangerously - the OP was.

He also broke the law actually - swearing at someone on the street is a Public Order Act offence. Verbal abuse is a criminal offence.

Growlybear83 · 01/08/2024 11:20

TizerorFizz · 01/08/2024 11:12

We do have a problem with some cyclists. There is a sense that other pavement users don’t matter.

We have the same issues here on bridleways. No bells. Going way too fast and no warnings to other users. Often a yell at the last second. They seem to think they are top of some food chain. I’ve been sworn at by cyclists when I’ve said something, Plus my child was nearly run over by one snd he swore at her. Ihe flew round a bend and just appeared! Of course many are reasonable but too many are not and constantly cycle on footpaths here. That’s against the law but they don’t care, then swear at me!

But it's not an issue of some cyclists not having a sense that 'other' pavement users don't matter. Pedestrians are pavement users - cyclists are not, they are road users and are breaking the law cycling on pavements unless there are markings to indicate otherwise.

TizerorFizz · 01/08/2024 11:12

We do have a problem with some cyclists. There is a sense that other pavement users don’t matter.

We have the same issues here on bridleways. No bells. Going way too fast and no warnings to other users. Often a yell at the last second. They seem to think they are top of some food chain. I’ve been sworn at by cyclists when I’ve said something, Plus my child was nearly run over by one snd he swore at her. Ihe flew round a bend and just appeared! Of course many are reasonable but too many are not and constantly cycle on footpaths here. That’s against the law but they don’t care, then swear at me!

C1N1C · 01/08/2024 11:04

He was wrong. You were more wrong.

Stop trying to pander to the crowd here with your offense at the word used. No sympathy here.

CaptainMyCaptain · 01/08/2024 10:55

Growlybear83 · 01/08/2024 08:23

The man wasn't breaking the law and acting dangerously - the OP was.

This.

Timinfuckingruislip · 01/08/2024 10:52

Yourdemonsyourproblem · 01/08/2024 10:12

He is taking out his issues with you, that isn't a normal reaction to such a petty thing. Obviously had a bad day trying to make someone else feel bad.
The fact you were on the pavement is irrelevant tbh and I dislike cyclist (no offence im a driver 😁)

Edited

It’s not “petty” or “irrelevant” it’s both illegal and dangerous.

newnamethanks · 01/08/2024 10:48

YANBU regarding the oaf and his mouth. YABU for being on the pavement. Get lights and a bell and stay on the road.

Indianajet · 01/08/2024 10:43

Ponkpinkpink15 · 01/08/2024 08:46

@Indianajet

maybe they do, maybe they don't. But you're not with them 24/7.

theyre adults, they don't have to answer to you.

Well I trust and hope I have brought them up to follow their wonderful dad and respect women.
I am their mother - 5' nothing to their 6' plus - and they do respect me, and their wives - they know my feelings on respecting women and what their dad (sadly deceased) would say if he heard them speak like that!

Yourdemonsyourproblem · 01/08/2024 10:12

He is taking out his issues with you, that isn't a normal reaction to such a petty thing. Obviously had a bad day trying to make someone else feel bad.
The fact you were on the pavement is irrelevant tbh and I dislike cyclist (no offence im a driver 😁)

Georgyporky · 01/08/2024 10:12

"but I actually think that women should feel safe when walking round the capital city"

Yeah , but men as well should be safe from CF cyclists riding on pavements.

JJathome · 01/08/2024 10:09

ComealongMartha · 01/08/2024 09:57

He was unnecessarily rude. He absolutely wouldn’t have spoken to a man like that.

Can I ask why you didn’t dismount and push your bike? It’s likely that an aggressive guy would still feel the need to air his views loudly but morally you would have come off better imo.

I never understand when posters play the poor woman card. Factually men on men violence is way way more common than man to woman. So yes, it is more likely he’d have done it to a man , and likely worse.