Page 29 | shocked my best friend voted Reform

Acapulco12 · 01/08/2024 00:57

AvrielFinch · 01/08/2024 00:53

So we should be friends with people who would vote for Hitler if he was alive as we should accept people having different views? Is that really what is being argued? Because in real life people do care about others views.

Voting for Reform is obviously nowhere the same as voting for Hitler. Can you not see you’re being quite extreme by comparing them to Hitler?

Acapulco12 · 01/08/2024 00:55

clearmoon · 31/07/2024 23:42

Long standing close friend came round for dinner and we were nattering away, and she just mentioned off hand in the conversation that she had voted Reform. i am really shocked. We don't discuss politics much. But I would have guessed lib dems or labour. I love her dearly. But I do wonder if I should think about her differently now, or just carry on as before

YANBU - She is not such a good person as I thought all these years
YABU-its all fine

Voting Reform doesn’t make her a bad person. And plenty of people with different political views see eye to eye. Have you asked her why she voted Reform?

AvrielFinch · 01/08/2024 00:53

So we should be friends with people who would vote for Hitler if he was alive as we should accept people having different views? Is that really what is being argued? Because in real life people do care about others views.

AvrielFinch · 01/08/2024 00:51

mirrensidhe · 01/08/2024 00:35

Do you not see the irony?

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No. I have certain morals and values. My friends and I have different views about lots of things, but we have very similar morals and values.
I think that is common with friendships. For example, people who think it is okay to steal from others, tend to have other friends who are criminals and think the same way. People who believe in equality tend to have friends who also believe in equality. Underlying value systems matter.

altmember · 01/08/2024 00:50

bigot
noun [ C ]
disapproving
UK
/ˈbɪɡ.ət/ US
/ˈbɪɡ.ət/

a person who has strong, unreasonable beliefs and who does not like other people who have different beliefs or a different way of life:

OneReformedCharacter · 01/08/2024 00:45

AvrielFinch · 01/08/2024 00:33

Righteous? Are we not allowed to have morals.
Morally I could not be friends with someone who is comfortable voting for an openly racist party.

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I couldn’t be comfortable being friends with anyone who voted for an antisemitic party so now I, too, only speak to people who confirm my biases and live with me in my echo chamber

is this genuinely how you go through life?

AvrielFinch · 01/08/2024 00:44

I am friends with people with a wide range of views. But I am not friends with people who support racist parties and are comfortable with the policies of Reform UK. They have a very different moral framework to myself and very different values.

OneReformedCharacter · 01/08/2024 00:44

RosaRoja · 01/08/2024 00:37

Oh, come on. Depends how important it is for you. Would you feel the same way about a friend who is a paedo? For some people the revulsion is very strong. It’s not whether you like Taylor Swift or Rammstein. That would be silly at this age. Surely, if it’s something very different to who you thought they were it does make you look differently at them. They’re not your child to love them unconditionally. Relationships change.

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Voting reform is like being a paedo is it?

what a spectacularly stupid thing to say.

snowlady4 · 01/08/2024 00:40

Are you only friends with people who share your thoughts, views and opinions op? I have friends with a whole spectrum of opinions, political or otherwise. I like it that way. So, for me, no I wouldn't stop being friends.
We learn, grow and develop, we all change over the course of a lifetime. It's a bit arrogant to think it's your way or no way!

RosaRoja · 01/08/2024 00:37

mirrensidhe · 01/08/2024 00:31

Why do you feel so righteous?

Oh, come on. Depends how important it is for you. Would you feel the same way about a friend who is a paedo? For some people the revulsion is very strong. It’s not whether you like Taylor Swift or Rammstein. That would be silly at this age. Surely, if it’s something very different to who you thought they were it does make you look differently at them. They’re not your child to love them unconditionally. Relationships change.

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 01/08/2024 00:37

mirrensidhe · 01/08/2024 00:35

Do you not see the irony?

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There isn't any.

anxioussister · 01/08/2024 00:37

Isn’t it important that we maintain friendships with people who think and vote differently to us? That we don’t keep all our voting secret unless we know we’re in a room with people who all think the same as us?

discussion / argument / debate between people who fundamentally care about each other is how we find a way forward…

AllPrincessAnneshorses · 01/08/2024 00:36

clearmoon · 31/07/2024 23:54

She is very clever, so I don't really think this is a likely explanation. I wish it were

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You can be clever and unpleasant

mirrensidhe · 01/08/2024 00:35

AvrielFinch · 01/08/2024 00:33

Righteous? Are we not allowed to have morals.
Morally I could not be friends with someone who is comfortable voting for an openly racist party.

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Do you not see the irony?

TooBigForMyBoots · 01/08/2024 00:35

Following the complete collapse of the Tory vote, I am not surprised that some of them went Reform in this GE.

YABU to judge her on this vote alone @clearmoon.

AvrielFinch · 01/08/2024 00:33

mirrensidhe · 01/08/2024 00:31

Why do you feel so righteous?

Righteous? Are we not allowed to have morals.
Morally I could not be friends with someone who is comfortable voting for an openly racist party.

mirrensidhe · 01/08/2024 00:31

Why do you feel so righteous?

Fifferfefferfeff · 01/08/2024 00:31

I couldn't be friends with someone who had voted to cause me serious harm, which some political parties would do with their policies, nor would I be able to be friends with someone who voted to cause others serious harm.

Obviously we have a legal right to vote for whomever we wish in a democracy, but that doesn't make voting for certain parties or policies morally acceptable.

I wouldn't be friends with someone who attacked disabled people in the street, for example, so why would I be friends with someone who attacked disabled people in secret, by voting for a party whose policy is to strip them of their means to a decent life?

(Just an example, not looked at Reform policies, but if they were doing harm to vulnerable people I wouldn't be able to vote for them or be close to someone who did.)

TeenagersAngst · 01/08/2024 00:31

Talk about an echo chamber...

healthadvice123 · 01/08/2024 00:27

Why can’t proper accept people don’t have to tgink exactly like them, why surround yourself with priple who only do as you do, its none of your business and you do not know there reasons. Not every reform voter is a racist, you are aware not just white people will have voted for them.

OneReformedCharacter · 01/08/2024 00:26

people voted reform for lots of reasons. Why can’t you just agree to disagree and move on - and make sure you don’t discuss politics in the future?

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/08/2024 00:22

It does if they’re racists. .

Waltdisnerd · 01/08/2024 00:21

I don't care how anyone else votes. People have different opinions to me but that doesn't make them wrong and me right

ilovesooty · 01/08/2024 00:19

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/08/2024 00:00

That would change my opinion of someone.

Agreed.

WickieRoy · 01/08/2024 00:17

MrsSkylerWhite · 01/08/2024 00:00

That would change my opinion of someone.

Me too.