shocked my best friend voted Reform

So you would not be friends with someone who is concerned with the current level of illegal immigration and the negative impact this has on communities?

But that's just it, you don't know unless you talk politics with every friend you have, or you have a very small number of friends.

But how could you be friends with someone if you didn't consider them to be a nice person with values that you share? Why would you want to spend time with someone that you didn't like?

If my friends dared to question me on my politics they would get told to fuck off! I can't imagine being so narrow minded that i judged my friendships on how people vote 🙄

Because I know that none of my friends have the kind of values that would ever lead them to even consider voting Reform.

I understand that people might not know much about the values of casual acquaintances, but surely most people have a reasonably good idea of who their friends are and what's important to them?

Why do you vet all your friends? Id hate to like a life where i despise anyone who does not share my views or political allegiances.

All i can suggest that breeds intolerance and created a little bubble for you to live in with your own personal echo chamber very enlightening.

None of my friends would vote for Reform UK in a million years. I know.

How would you know who your friends voted for unless you asked them. I never ask people who they vote for, it's none of my business. I'm probably friends with people from all the parties, I really have no idea, so many other things to talk about.

So that a nope you cannot provide proof of you accusations, so you chose not to discuss it if we won't take what you say as fact and full truth. Okay, maybe some of us would like to see the source of your claims.

Unfortunately you appear to be from the trial by social media generation and look how many stars that worked out well for, not heard of the #bekind hash tag then or does it only work when you agree with someone's viewpoint.

You have not provided full links or full text of the discussion or written.

This is Mumsnet not a peer-reviewed academic journal, I am not obliged to provide you with a full reference list.

I was asked for examples of remarks Farage has made that were racist, islamaphobic or xenophobic so I listed a handful. These have been widely reported by multiple news sources, not just left-wing news sources but news sources across the political spectrum.

I'm not on trial and my opinions are not on trial, so I don't have to provide you with "evidence" that meets your particular requirements. I believe Nigel Farage to be a racist. I believe Reform to be a racist party. You are free to believe what you like.

Are you asking me if I have witnessed racism ever?
or are you asking me if I’ve witnessed politicians being racist?
or are you asking me whether I’ve seen reform’s racist policies?

I will draw similarities where I see them. Stating millions of people are “bigots” because they’re racist/ transphobes without any evidence is concerning to me.

There is no point in a discussion here. It just seems to be about name calling.
We can all be friends with who we want to be, it is not up to random strangers on the internet to tell us who we should be friends with.
And no I will not be friends with anyone who voted Reform UK.

I wouldn't dislike someone for being right wing unless they were massively racist.
The two are not necessarily a link.
Just like being left doesn't make me a snowflake does it.

I just think should be able to discuss these things without it getting personal. Some people though like to make their views their whole personality.

I personally believe we should listen to all views, even if you disagree with them, because open discussions are a good thing to see all points of view. Maybe even things not even thought of before.

By listening, we learn to understand each other, even if we don't agree.

I don't think a lot of people have that attitude unfortunately. It's their way or the highway. I'm not so rigid in this life.

Musing over.

Where is your citation and link to this? just wondering.

Actually I do think immigration needs to stop until we have dealt with the backlog of people that are already here. In the last 4 days just over 1000 people have come over in small boats. We can't just keep adding to the number, it's unsustainable.

No what you did was take a couple of snippets out of who knows where and presented them for facts. That is no different than how people used to write poison pen letters and the god awful "TicToc" trial by 10 second clip generation, with snippets of information not providing the entire context..

You have not provided full links or full discussion or written evidence of this and you certainly cannot pull out individual words and phrases and claim it is fact.

That is not evidence or facts that is twisting the narrative and providing a false account of what was said. So Ill ask you again provide us with a link to your source or fully documented evidence of what was said that was wrong.

If he was wrong why was he not either pulled up by ofcom or investigated by the police?

You seem to have very very loose definition of evidence when you selectively pull out phrases or wording, completely out of context.

I mean, it would be nice for once to have a thread without the trans debate being shoehorned in, but are you honestly saying you’ve seen NO evidence whatsoever in your entire life in the past few years of the racism referred to? Not even the one posted here? For starters. Let’s leave JKR for another thread, incidentally one in which I might agree with you.

I too would like to see a list of Reform’s racist policies.

I was thinking the same by page 2! By page 15, I couldn’t see that any proof hadbeen give.

You'd begrudge an elderly person an extra £10 at Christmas. Wow.

You're as bad as the person on another thread who suggested that elderly people struggling to pay their heating bills should save towards it by not going out once a week for a coffee. This same person then said that they were planning to save £100,000 for their 2 children to go to uni and another £100,000 to help with house deposits.

Absolutely no idea what poverty is. Yep the left are really starting to show their true colours.

Also, “derided”? I thought that was a lefty holier-than-though behaviour, no? It might have been someone else who claimed that.

Yeah, that was me.

I haven't vanished, and I literally posted a list of racist and offensive remarks made by Farage.

The list was not exhaustive, there are others if you can be bothered to use Google.

How far to the right are you if the Tories are left? Can you just decide where you place your centre? You do realise the Tory party has been sliding to the right - by their own admission! - so just how much more to the right are you? You can be as much as you want as long as you obey the law and don’t stir hatred.

What are Reform’s policies?
The party will fight the election on immigration, pledging an “employer immigration tax” on companies that choose to employ overseas workers instead of British citizens.
This would see businesses paying a national insurance “premium” of 20% of an employee’s salary, as opposed to 13.8%, if the worker is from overseas.
The party has vowed to freeze lawful immigration with the exception of healthcare and leave the European Convention on Human Rights.
Reform has also said it would abolish the Government’s net zero targets and “stand up for British culture, identity and values”.
Reform UK has also called for a new NHS funding model. It wants the next government to look to countries like France, which has insurance-based health models. Health outcomes in the UK have fallen behind a number of European neighbours, but they are spending more money on health.

Their policies make no overall coherent sense. They have no meaningful economic policy. They simply want to stop nearly all immigration, give more tax cuts to businesses, and privatise the NHS.

A few instances were posted a couple of pages back. Not racism? Taken out of context? When even NF had to admit he was fucking wrong to speak the way he did. Lots of dog whistle too.