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shocked my best friend voted Reform

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clearmoon · 31/07/2024 23:42

Long standing close friend came round for dinner and we were nattering away, and she just mentioned off hand in the conversation that she had voted Reform. i am really shocked. We don't discuss politics much. But I would have guessed lib dems or labour. I love her dearly. But I do wonder if I should think about her differently now, or just carry on as before

YANBU - She is not such a good person as I thought all these years
YABU-its all fine

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Paintedmirror · 01/08/2024 14:55

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orchiddottyback · 01/08/2024 14:54

VerySadCase · 01/08/2024 14:49

The leaders of reform are racist, and their policies are very clearly designed to appeal to racists, while just managing to stay on the right side of the law.

It is pretty obvious that a party that was started by a racist and that is led by racists could not be anything other than fundamentally racist at its core.

Even a number of Reform's own candidates quit because of the racism.

You can choose not to see it if you like. Or maybe you voted for them and you don't want to think of yourself as racist. But they are a racist party through and through, and even a little bit of research will evidence this if you actually want to engage with it.

Fact Check: Even a number of Reform's own candidates quit because of the racism.

Reform hired and external company to back ground check their candidate due to the short notice of the elections. One slipped thought and did not leave he was sacked.

All other parties have also previously suspended and sacked candidates for racist remarks in the past. So are they all racists too?

bombastix · 01/08/2024 14:54

People are allowed their own judgment. Whatever their politics. I afraid that is part of democracy when it comes to voting.

VerySadCase · 01/08/2024 14:52

orchiddottyback · 01/08/2024 14:43

So again where are your facts and links please, some credible direct source that all Reform voters are racist or Reform is?

If Reform are how are they still an official part and not faced sanctions, where is the investigation into their racist acts as would be illegal in this country?

They are legitimate government candidates now.

Edited

Sorry, I don't have facts and links to prove that my friends aren't racists or far right extremists. I don't conduct background checks, I just use my judgement. It really isn't hard to spot the Reform types to be honest.

orchiddottyback · 01/08/2024 14:51

VerySadCase · 01/08/2024 14:49

The leaders of reform are racist, and their policies are very clearly designed to appeal to racists, while just managing to stay on the right side of the law.

It is pretty obvious that a party that was started by a racist and that is led by racists could not be anything other than fundamentally racist at its core.

Even a number of Reform's own candidates quit because of the racism.

You can choose not to see it if you like. Or maybe you voted for them and you don't want to think of yourself as racist. But they are a racist party through and through, and even a little bit of research will evidence this if you actually want to engage with it.

FACT CHECK - "The leaders of reform are racist,"

Prove it? have they been investigate or found guilty of racism. Have they been arrested, charged or have ongoing investigations for racism.

Can you provide links to this racism?

Well will all wait whilst you google search feverous again.

2dogsandabudgie · 01/08/2024 14:51

VerySadCase · 01/08/2024 14:33

But how could you be friends with someone if you didn't consider them to be a nice person with values that you share? Why would you want to spend time with someone that you didn't like?

I know lots of people, some are close friends who I see regularly, some friends I see occasionally and others are what I would call acquaintances, mainly other dog walkers who I see whilst out dog walking and who I chat to. All are lovely people. None of them have ever told me who they voted for. But let's say one of them voted Conservative, one Labour and one Reform. It wouldn't change my opinion of them. They would still be the same people whose company I enjoy, and people vote for all kinds of reasons.

VerySadCase · 01/08/2024 14:49

Elbone · 01/08/2024 14:42

Which policies of reform’s are racist?

The leaders of reform are racist, and their policies are very clearly designed to appeal to racists, while just managing to stay on the right side of the law.

It is pretty obvious that a party that was started by a racist and that is led by racists could not be anything other than fundamentally racist at its core.

Even a number of Reform's own candidates quit because of the racism.

You can choose not to see it if you like. Or maybe you voted for them and you don't want to think of yourself as racist. But they are a racist party through and through, and even a little bit of research will evidence this if you actually want to engage with it.

orchiddottyback · 01/08/2024 14:49

It's like talking to AI,

can you provide facts that reform are racists.

My predertimed answer is "they are just racists"

Why?

"According to Twitter they are racists"

Yes AI bot but why, where are the facts?

"According to TICTOC 198,000 Posts and 2 million likes say they are racist"

I give up 😂

Bellsandthistle · 01/08/2024 14:48

AvrielFinch · 01/08/2024 14:26

None of my friends would vote for Reform UK in a million years. I know.

Or they would never tell YOU they were voting Reform, as they’re aware of your holier-than-thou attitude. It’s clear many people kept it quiet that they were voting Reform for precisely this reason.

Fluufer · 01/08/2024 14:46

Bellsandthistle · 01/08/2024 14:39

If I had a friend who doubted whether I was a good person or not based on who I voted for, we would no longer be friends.

Yes, well I would consider a vote for Nigel Farage a personal attack. So good riddance I guess.

Bellsandthistle · 01/08/2024 14:45

These are the same people who were shocked with the Brexit referendum results.
Completely out of touch with reality and of the opinion that nice, normal folk would NEVER vote that way. 🙄

Fluufer · 01/08/2024 14:45

2dogsandabudgie · 01/08/2024 14:40

Eh? What on earth do you talk about when you're with a friend.

I spent a lovely day out with a friend last week, not once did politics come into it.

Not ever? For years and years you don't ever talk politics, opinions on current affairs, the news? None of it ever pops up ever? You have no idea your friends stance on core issues such as race, women's rights, climate change?
You don't have to pin them down and demand to know who they vote for. If you're really never talking about any of that stuff ever, then yes, I would say that's a very superficial friendship and you don't really know them.

Elbone · 01/08/2024 14:44

Stephy1886 · 01/08/2024 14:40

Farage is just Thommeh Robinson in a suit

Is “Thommeh” a bit of a classist dig?

orchiddottyback · 01/08/2024 14:43

VerySadCase · 01/08/2024 14:40

As it happens, I do have a couple of friends who have concerns about immigration and how it has been managed. However, they are not racist and wouldn't dream of voting for Reform.

So again where are your facts and links please, some credible direct source that all Reform voters are racist or Reform is?

If Reform are how are they still an official part and not faced sanctions, where is the investigation into their racist acts as would be illegal in this country?

They are legitimate government candidates now.

Elbone · 01/08/2024 14:42

VerySadCase · 01/08/2024 14:40

As it happens, I do have a couple of friends who have concerns about immigration and how it has been managed. However, they are not racist and wouldn't dream of voting for Reform.

Which policies of reform’s are racist?

orchiddottyback · 01/08/2024 14:41

Stephy1886 · 01/08/2024 14:40

Farage is just Thommeh Robinson in a suit

Really how has he got a court order over his head or found guilty in a court of law?

VerySadCase · 01/08/2024 14:40

Elbone · 01/08/2024 14:34

So you would not be friends with someone who is concerned with the current level of illegal immigration and the negative impact this has on communities?

As it happens, I do have a couple of friends who have concerns about immigration and how it has been managed. However, they are not racist and wouldn't dream of voting for Reform.

Elbone · 01/08/2024 14:40

RosaRoja · 01/08/2024 14:35

OK, so then no racism in Farage. Instances posted with links on previous pages, lots of sources available. Fucking depressing. So much stirring and manoeuvring to make this “acceptable”. I’ll retire to my bubble and spend time with people I like.

I’m asking for specific examples of Reform policies being racist. Please.

2dogsandabudgie · 01/08/2024 14:40

Fluufer · 01/08/2024 14:35

I can't fathom how many people think having such shallow superficial friendships is a virtue. How can you not know or care what your friends fundamental values are? Do you have no standards for whom you associate with?

Eh? What on earth do you talk about when you're with a friend.

I spent a lovely day out with a friend last week, not once did politics come into it.

Stephy1886 · 01/08/2024 14:40

Farage is just Thommeh Robinson in a suit

Bellsandthistle · 01/08/2024 14:39

If I had a friend who doubted whether I was a good person or not based on who I voted for, we would no longer be friends.

orchiddottyback · 01/08/2024 14:39

VerySadCase · 01/08/2024 14:30

Because I know that none of my friends have the kind of values that would ever lead them to even consider voting Reform.

I understand that people might not know much about the values of casual acquaintances, but surely most people have a reasonably good idea of who their friends are and what's important to them?

Actually i'm intelligent enough to understand that everyone i meet have different life experiences from every angle. No two are the same and if they have a strong grievance to one thing or another there is a very definite reason or experience for it.

I do not judge them I have not walked in their shoes or lived their lives. But if they can provide me of some facts as to why they are right and i am wrong i will consider it.

I may live in an area that multiculturalism is not working and have views on that but it does not mean I cannot be friends from other cultures as I certainly do or in areas where it does work. So thats difference between intolerance and dog whistling that predominantly come from the left.

So when some one like claims to judge people on who they voted for as one homogenous group then you need to back it up with some real facts, other wise you are no different from the people you dislike.

swimsong · 01/08/2024 14:37

Elbone · 01/08/2024 13:30

Could you give examples?

Talk to any Reform candidate in private.

RosaRoja · 01/08/2024 14:35

Elbone · 01/08/2024 14:20

Are you asking me if I have witnessed racism ever?
or are you asking me if I’ve witnessed politicians being racist?
or are you asking me whether I’ve seen reform’s racist policies?

I will draw similarities where I see them. Stating millions of people are “bigots” because they’re racist/ transphobes without any evidence is concerning to me.

OK, so then no racism in Farage. Instances posted with links on previous pages, lots of sources available. Fucking depressing. So much stirring and manoeuvring to make this “acceptable”. I’ll retire to my bubble and spend time with people I like.

Fluufer · 01/08/2024 14:35

I can't fathom how many people think having such shallow superficial friendships is a virtue. How can you not know or care what your friends fundamental values are? Do you have no standards for whom you associate with?