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shocked my best friend voted Reform

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clearmoon · 31/07/2024 23:42

Long standing close friend came round for dinner and we were nattering away, and she just mentioned off hand in the conversation that she had voted Reform. i am really shocked. We don't discuss politics much. But I would have guessed lib dems or labour. I love her dearly. But I do wonder if I should think about her differently now, or just carry on as before

YANBU - She is not such a good person as I thought all these years
YABU-its all fine

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Tarquina · 01/08/2024 15:14

Well at least the reform party knows what a woman is

VerySadCase · 01/08/2024 15:12

BloodyHellKenAgain · 01/08/2024 15:09

Aligning beliefs is one of the ways I know how compatible I am with someone and this how much time amd effort I shpuld put into the relationship.

I find this quite an unpleasant attitude and one I've heard time and time again, usually from someone who is into leftwing politics.

Someones personal beliefs and who they vote for are their business and notcyo be disclosed at will do others csn check you are 'the right sort of person'.

Whatever happened to making friends with someone just because you seem to get on ?

Do you get on with people whose views you find morally repugnant?

It sounds like you must have very superficial friendships if you really don't care what kind of people your friends are?

FayeGreener · 01/08/2024 15:10

I’m still waiting for someone to post a list of Reform’s “racist policies”.

Surely it can’t be that there aren’t any?!?!

Its almost like they’re a completely ordinary right-of-centre party rather than a cabal of evil Nazis.

BloodyHellKenAgain · 01/08/2024 15:09

Aligning beliefs is one of the ways I know how compatible I am with someone and this how much time amd effort I shpuld put into the relationship.

I find this quite an unpleasant attitude and one I've heard time and time again, usually from someone who is into leftwing politics.

Someones personal beliefs and who they vote for are their business and notcyo be disclosed at will do others csn check you are 'the right sort of person'.

Whatever happened to making friends with someone just because you seem to get on ?

orchiddottyback · 01/08/2024 15:08

Fluufer · 01/08/2024 15:07

Right back at you.

So no evidence to back up your slander then, as I expect all hot air. Welcome to the TICTOK generation.

Fluufer · 01/08/2024 15:07

orchiddottyback · 01/08/2024 15:07

So the time it took for you to type that, according to you, you could have provided a link to prove me wrong.

Very odd way of having a discussion. 😂

Right back at you.

VerySadCase · 01/08/2024 15:07

orchiddottyback · 01/08/2024 15:01

You keep saying the evidence is there to google it unfortunately it is not?
You are obviously far more skilled than most of us, so share.

Also it is not for me to prove your accusations, believe it or not its for you to prove he is what you claim. I'm not the one making these accusations or slurs.

I don't think you need any particular googling skills. There is tons online but if you don't want to engage with it or if you're not capable of understanding it, I can't help.

I've posted tons of evidence on here over the years, but I've realised that some people aren't worth the effort.

In any case, I'm not really sure why anyone is so bothered by this thread in any case? Why you even want to be friends with someone who thinks that you're a deeply unpleasant person? Surely you can see that you would have nothing in common with people who find your views repugnant? Don't you want to mix with people who like and respect you?

orchiddottyback · 01/08/2024 15:07

Fluufer · 01/08/2024 15:05

I haven't made any claims. I think Farage is a twat. I've no interest in "proving" it to you. Evidence has been posted previously, if you can't be bothered then fine.
It's probably actually easier for you to give example of when Farage isn't saying something nasty.

So the time it took for you to type that, according to you, you could have provided a link to prove me wrong.

Very odd way of having a discussion. 😂

bombastix · 01/08/2024 15:07

@Fluufer - of course it’s a repellent idea but the point is that not a few Reform voters regard diversity and inclusion as exactly that, a situation where they are forced to be pleasant, whereas really many would like the following

“I don’t usually like your sort but you’re alright”

(my judgment…)

Fluufer · 01/08/2024 15:05

orchiddottyback · 01/08/2024 15:03

So again we have another who is not willing to back up their claims, there seems to be a running theme from those throwing mud.

They are able to type reams and reams of insults but very lacking In the evidence department 😂

Edited

I haven't made any claims. I think Farage is a twat. I've no interest in "proving" it to you. Evidence has been posted previously, if you can't be bothered then fine.
It's probably actually easier for you to give example of when Farage isn't saying something nasty.

orchiddottyback · 01/08/2024 15:05

Fluufer · 01/08/2024 15:04

Quite sure thanks. If reform were in government we would no longer live here.

Oh that's a shame, the place might be a little more tolerant.

Paintedmirror · 01/08/2024 15:04

It seems to me that the 4 million plus who voted reform are far more intelligent than the idiots who voted Labour/Con/Libs. You didn't change anything they are all the same. They don't work for you they work for the WEF.

Fluufer · 01/08/2024 15:04

bombastix · 01/08/2024 15:00

Are you sure? It’s possible that if Reform were the government you would have to have them as friends for diversity purposes and inclusion

Quite sure thanks. If reform were in government we would no longer live here.

orchiddottyback · 01/08/2024 15:03

Fluufer · 01/08/2024 15:01

Read back through the thread. Use the search function. It's not that hard.
And raise your standards. People can be horrid without being criminally horrid.

So again we have another who is not willing to back up their claims, there seems to be a running theme from those throwing mud.

They are able to type reams and reams of insults but very lacking In the evidence department 😂

orchiddottyback · 01/08/2024 15:01

VerySadCase · 01/08/2024 14:59

Back to this again. I don't need to Google it, I've seen and heard enough over the years to not be in any doubt.

There is a ton of evidence out there but I am not your virtual assistant... do your own googling if you really want to know.

It is not my job to prove to you that Reform is a racist party. The evidence is readily available for anyone that wants to see it. I'm not trying to stop you from voting for Farage and his cronies. It is a democracy. You can vote for who you like, and it's clear that your positions are already entrenched.

All I'm saying is that I reserve the right to be friends with people who hold what I consider to be morally repugnant views. I don't think that's particularly controversial.

You keep saying the evidence is there to google it unfortunately it is not?
You are obviously far more skilled than most of us, so share.

Also it is not for me to prove your accusations, believe it or not its for you to prove he is what you claim. I'm not the one making these accusations or slurs.

Fluufer · 01/08/2024 15:01

orchiddottyback · 01/08/2024 14:59

Sorry I can't see the links. care to share them their are so many. Also if you claim he was racist why was he not charged or investigated by the police?

You have failed to provide any link to where he was found guilty or do you believe the justice system in the country does not apply to you?

Guilty until proven innocent if he was so bad he would have a criminal record for it, so where is it?

Edited

Read back through the thread. Use the search function. It's not that hard.
And raise your standards. People can be horrid without being criminally horrid.

bombastix · 01/08/2024 15:00

Fluufer · 01/08/2024 14:57

Well luckily we're allowed to choose our friends too.

Are you sure? It’s possible that if Reform were the government you would have to have them as friends for diversity purposes and inclusion

Gogogo12345 · 01/08/2024 15:00

Well judging by the results then thousands of people voted Reform. It's a personal thing and sod all to do with anyone else
I usually vote Tory but couldn't this time and no way on earth would I vote labour so went for Green instead

2dogsandabudgie · 01/08/2024 15:00

SallyWD · 01/08/2024 14:56

Several of us posted evidence of the racist and sexist things Nigel Farage has said after you asked for quotes. Are you ignoring that and still asking for more evidence?
I'm sure I could Google and find more examples of racism from Reform as a party (as could you) but I'm walking home from work.

Bloody hell, you're walking home from work and on Mumsnet? Get off it and enjoy the world around you! It's a beautiful day today!

orchiddottyback · 01/08/2024 14:59

SallyWD · 01/08/2024 14:56

Several of us posted evidence of the racist and sexist things Nigel Farage has said after you asked for quotes. Are you ignoring that and still asking for more evidence?
I'm sure I could Google and find more examples of racism from Reform as a party (as could you) but I'm walking home from work.

Sorry I can't see the links. care to share them their are so many. Also if you claim he was racist why was he not charged or investigated by the police?

You have failed to provide any link to where he was found guilty or do you believe the justice system in the country does not apply to you?

Guilty until proven innocent if he was so bad he would have a criminal record for it, so where is it?

VerySadCase · 01/08/2024 14:59

orchiddottyback · 01/08/2024 14:51

FACT CHECK - "The leaders of reform are racist,"

Prove it? have they been investigate or found guilty of racism. Have they been arrested, charged or have ongoing investigations for racism.

Can you provide links to this racism?

Well will all wait whilst you google search feverous again.

Edited

Back to this again. I don't need to Google it, I've seen and heard enough over the years to not be in any doubt.

There is a ton of evidence out there but I am not your virtual assistant... do your own googling if you really want to know.

It is not my job to prove to you that Reform is a racist party. The evidence is readily available for anyone that wants to see it. I'm not trying to stop you from voting for Farage and his cronies. It is a democracy. You can vote for who you like, and it's clear that your positions are already entrenched.

All I'm saying is that I reserve the right to be friends with people who hold what I consider to be morally repugnant views. I don't think that's particularly controversial.

Fluufer · 01/08/2024 14:57

bombastix · 01/08/2024 14:54

People are allowed their own judgment. Whatever their politics. I afraid that is part of democracy when it comes to voting.

Well luckily we're allowed to choose our friends too.

2dogsandabudgie · 01/08/2024 14:56

VerySadCase · 01/08/2024 14:52

Sorry, I don't have facts and links to prove that my friends aren't racists or far right extremists. I don't conduct background checks, I just use my judgement. It really isn't hard to spot the Reform types to be honest.

And what is a Reform "type".

SallyWD · 01/08/2024 14:56

orchiddottyback · 01/08/2024 14:49

It's like talking to AI,

can you provide facts that reform are racists.

My predertimed answer is "they are just racists"

Why?

"According to Twitter they are racists"

Yes AI bot but why, where are the facts?

"According to TICTOC 198,000 Posts and 2 million likes say they are racist"

I give up 😂

Several of us posted evidence of the racist and sexist things Nigel Farage has said after you asked for quotes. Are you ignoring that and still asking for more evidence?
I'm sure I could Google and find more examples of racism from Reform as a party (as could you) but I'm walking home from work.

orchiddottyback · 01/08/2024 14:56

VerySadCase · 01/08/2024 14:52

Sorry, I don't have facts and links to prove that my friends aren't racists or far right extremists. I don't conduct background checks, I just use my judgement. It really isn't hard to spot the Reform types to be honest.

isn't hard to spot the Reform types to be honest.

Go on then enlighten us how you spot a reform voter on the street or in the office?

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