THe upper middle class favour immigration

Isn’t that currently what happens?

I think that many of the EDL/Reform/Britain First types have now realised that they can’t use the Southport Tragedy to try and start a race war, so they are looking for other angles e.g. infiltrating online forums etc. Turns out the 17 year old was born in the UK and didn’t arrive on a small boat! Also most decent people were disgusted by the Far Right riots in Southport which may have hopefully turned some people off them.

Some jobs require years of training! My allied health care job requires a 3-4 yr uni degree as minimum. Govt cuts have led to a shortage of ppl in my profession which has led to NHS in my area having little option but to recruit internationally to fill vacancies now! It’s not always just about more money if there is a shortage of trained staff in a sector which takes years to train for.

"No, I am not upper middle class, So it wouldnt fall on me. My Mum is 93 and lives in her own house. She still helps out with child care of her great grand children. Hopefully I will live as long and as healthily as Mum."

You don't pay council tax?

A proportion of Council tax goes towards social care.

If you want to pay better wages to carers - and I agree they are underpaid- we need to pay more towards it.

You are not wrong OP.

That and because the middle class progressives also see anything like favouring uncontrolled immigration like a badge of honour. It’s a new status symbol to champion all of these ‘causes’ regardless of the consequences for the economy or society.

It’s the Martha’s Vineyard syndrome. These people are actually satirical.

Why is the housing stock going to people with no local connection? Have you written to your MP about it?

The reason people favour immigration is because every human being should have the opportunity to make a decent life for themselves- if you decide you want to relocate to Australia or America or Spain you won’t face a ton of racist shit- why should other people?

There is no land to build the housing!! That’s the issue. Local people where I am (NI) don’t want to be housed away from their families and local connections whilst the available housing stock is going to those with no local connection.

If only... I think it would be wonderful if the majority of care work was carried out by certified carers who had undergone professional accreditation and were remunerated to reflect this. I just don't understand how we as a society leave the care of our most vulnerable to people who are sometimes quite unsuitable. Someone I'm acquainted with does care work as a second job and I'm really sad about how she talks about it, like the service users are just dozy, leaking parcels who should be grateful for her perfunctory, bare-minimum approach. Oh, and she's as English as they come. And doesn't even try to hide how racist she is.

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Beeinalily · Today 23:48
Poor people are affected much more by immigration. Unskilled jobs, social housing. Many immigrants work for less than minimum wage, and they go straight to the front of the social housing queue, especially if they have children. I don't blame them for any of this, I blame the government.”

Please stop perpetuating nonsense. Immigrants do not go to the front of the housing queue. It is points based for all applicants.

Why are ‘immigrants’ being offered better housing? How do you know this?

If you really believed in letting the market rule, you'd be arguing in favour of open borders and an end to immigration control altogether. That's the logical conclusion of the "let the market decide" approach.

where I am immigrants are getting better housing quicker- locals are left to be ‘homeless from home’- sharing with parents etc whereas immigrants don’t have anyone to be homeless from home with so are moved into the desirable family hostels. Whole hostels now are full of migrants. Plus the local hotels with local people then offered B and Bs miles away. It’s an absolute nightmare.

This is a good point. I think it would be helpful to nationalise social care, partly because the private care model is not effective and because it’s just making a small group of care home owners very wealthy.

Does it though?

https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/the-labour-market-effects-of-immigration/#:~:text=Another%20study%20focusing%20on%20wage,to%20findings%20from%20other%20studies.

"Research shows that the impacts of migration on wages and employment prospects for UK-born workers is small"

London has the fastest growing economy of any region in the UK, the highest wages and vast numbers of immigrants.

I do wonder about some people's thought processes.

£20 an hour - lol.

£20 x 8 hours x 5 days x 52 weeks = £41,600 = £48,000 (approximately) with on costs x 14 staff = £672,000

£672,000 on nursery staff alone.

Do have any idea what nursery fees would have to be to cover that?

Migrant worker's have living costs as well you know. Unless they are here illegally and working cash in hand. They also have to pay for their visa for right to remain.

Okkkk

Oh right.

I’m sorry about the tensions. The main cause wasn’t immigration though - it was housing. It’s the government’s responsibility to build enough housing.

Owning a chain of care homes has made some owners very rich in the UK. I suppose the problem is that increasing worker's wages would dent the profits, and private businesses can pay what they like as long as it's above NMW.