THe upper middle class favour immigration

That’s a massive generalisation.

@Twototwo15 Nurseries were probably not much needed in 1924, as mothers would not have been working so much. Life expectancy has increased and demographics tilted to a greater older population, hence more need for care homes. Times have changed.

I think you’re confused. Who said that nursery staff were primarily immigrants?

But to your other point, yes, basically. You can’t charge £200 a day for nursery fees. That’s £52,000 a year.

This is a bit of a silly argument, frankly. It seems to me that you’re not understanding how the real world operates.

100 years ago?
Immigration has played a big part in Britain - and its success - for thousands of years!

How are "paying immigrants less" and "paying local people more" real life alternatives? No one is helicoptering in each morning from Przemyśl or Lubumbashi or Hyderabad and landing on their workplace roof with a packed lunch, and then flying out again immediately post-shift (even if they wanted to, the costs would be prohibitive). Immigrants living in the UK have the same cost of living as UK born people living in the UK - possibly more, as they lack a support network of family, friends, and long-term contacts.

How ever did the country manage 100 years ago before immigration took off? Strangely all the jobs people claim no one but an immigrant will do now were filled. Being uncomfortable about mass immigration which leads to communities not integrating, areas being over-built and cultures clashing is not racist. Immigrants come in all races and people who are uncomfortable about mass immigration come in all races. But don’t dare say it as name-calling is all you will hear shouted from the unpleasant left.

No, it’s because immigrants are prepared to do a lot of the jobs that ‘locals’ won’t do. Local people are not even applying to these jobs such as cleaners etc. immigrants aren’t ’taking’ them.

I see the "It's Not Fair - Blame Anyone but the Politicians" bingo card is filling up nicely.

And by politicians I also mean CEOs of the corporations and the mega wealthy whose sole ambition in life is to feather their own nests regardless of human or environmental cost.

Also known as the "Divide and Rule" bingo card or the "Bread and Circuses" bingo card. Ot even the "Capitalism in its death throes" bingo card.

I suppose if we're all fighting each other for their table scraps we're not fighting them though (metaphorically of course, hopefully).

Illegal immigration is a small fraction of the total.

I think there are serious problems with illegal immigrants in this country - people who arrive without identification papers, where there is no way of knowing who they are or what crimes they may have committed. But I think on the whole legal immigration is beneficial.

They are most definitely rising in working class communities in NI.

Not in most of Belfast. Schools are full to capacity and social housing is a shit show!! Genuinely it is a mess.

Tensions are not actually rising. There’s a vocal minority out there who are vulnerable to manipulation by bad actors on social media, perhaps because they didn’t get a decent education or because it’s human nature to want a scapegoat or because they are not good people. I don’t really understand it but try not to worry too much about it.

Let me goad you back. My housekeeper is paid 40k / year - it is more than I used to get paid as a teacher for a relatively straightforward job split between my parents house and mine. Keeps everything clean + tidy + makes sure kitchen basics are stocked. she does laundry and ironing. She occasionally accompanies one of my parents somewhere if they need to carry something heavy. There is no personal / elderly care - she makes beds etc. She gets 4 weeks paid holiday + generous Christmas + Easter bonuses. We are hardworking, friendly people + we want to have hardworking friendly people in our space with us.

I interviewed more than 13 people for the job. Lots of British people applied. None of them managed to make it on time to the interview + all of them asked questions about what they could get rather than the job (where can I go for a smoke break? How long do I have to work before I get paid holiday? Etc)

The two Portuguese applicants and the Lithuanian one? Arrived punctually, engaged cheerfully, made suggestions about structure of household management within the initial conversation.

I assure you I would be delighted to pay a decent wage to a British person if I could find one who wanted to do a decent job.

DH hates employing brits in his company because they don’t work as hard - he pays well and employs graduates.

My ‘upper middle class’ ass likes immigration because I think that, on average, migrants
(at whatever social / economic level they enter) bring a better attitude to employment

It’s not that simple. The UK also has a demographic time bomb as well in which fewer babies are being born and the population is getting older and living much longer. Therefore there is a much greater need for carers than in the past but also, without immigration a smaller workforce coming through and who would not be willing to do care work, due to the nature of the tasks.

Until the demographics is fixed, it’s not easy for governments to snap off the immigration tap.

Are you joking? Birth rates are reducing and class sizes are going down across the country. Schools are closing down. If you have a problem with schools, it's that they haven't been funded properly since 2010.

For anyone who does not own their own home or enjoy a secure tenancy, life became a lot more challenging for working class people.
All those who make their home in the UK deserve to live with dignity and be afforded the rights that go with the responsibilities of citizens.
It's simply not possible with the inadequate provision of housing. The upper middle class, like the upper class are insulated from living with the consequences - sheds with beds aren't in their well-heeled neighbourhoods.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/housing/articles/ukhousebuildingdata/latest

Financial year data for the year ending March 2023 show that there were 210,320 dwellings completed in the UK. By country, the following number of dwellings were completed:

• 174,600 in England
• 5,790 in Wales
• 23,510 in Scotland
• 6,420 in Northern Ireland

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/immigration-system-statistics-year-ending-march-2023/summary-of-latest-statistics

There were 3,057,654 visas granted in the year ending March 2023, 90% higher (1,449,071) than the year ending March 2022. This was primarily due to 944,957 (+155%) more grants of Visitor visas, but also due to more grants for:

• work visas (including dependants), up 211,285 (+76%) to 487,771
• study visas (including dependants), up 161,771 (+34%) to 632,006, including sponsored and short-term students

Agreed.

Indeed. The Romans were invaders/ immigrants.

I don’t think parents - ie service users of nurseries - would accept paying higher nursery fees. They’re already incredibly high.

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As oppsed to paying better wages and improving terms and conditions and charging the service users more.“

Where are the service users in care homes going to find these extra fees? They average £1,500 pw already here.

Ignoramus

You tell people from the local area that when they have their grandchildren crammed into a bedroom with their mother and partner whilst seeing newcomers moved straight into a family hostel.
I am not saying that immigrants shouldn’t be housed but explaining why tensions are rising.
also issues around school places and local children not getting a place in nearest school but miles away.