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Driving medical - depression

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Wonderfulday · 31/07/2024 15:56

My son applied for his provisional driving license and had to go for a medical as he was on anti-depressants. His own GP and his CAMHS counsellor gave their statement to say he was stable and his condition nor his medication would have any impact on his ability to drive. HOWEVER he was still subjected to a medical by the driving agency which asked questions about my marriage, where we happy couple, what relationship did he have with siblings, they asked about the reason he self harmed, how deep the cuts were, where on his body he cut, why he had depression, what does he talk to his counsellor about, how was his school life, they didn't accept generic answers, they pushed and pushed. What relevance does any of that have on his ability to drive! I was expecting questions like, does your medication make you drowsy, have you thoughts of harming others etc AIBU to take this further as in a complaint?? Surely if the people treating him for years say he is stable they should accept that without making him divulge personal issues to a complete stranger about things that happened when he was about 15!!! I am so furious that he was put through this!

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Atethehalloweenchocs · 31/07/2024 19:02

It does sound very intrusive but I wonder if the following factors were an issue.

  1. The fact it had not been 3 months on the medication yet. In the middle of depression your energy is low, which is a protective factor when it comes to stopping you attempting to kill yourself. When you start taking medication, your energy level can go up before your mood or thinking improve, and this period is quite dangerous for people actually killing themselves.
  2. Sibling and family relationships - for young people, these are often very very influential on their mental wellbeing and were a factor in suicide attempts in a significant number of cases. Not always - but often enough that we always included family therapy sessions in our work with our younger clients.
  3. Suicide assessments are notoriously unreliable, and different professionals approach them very differently. So taking the word of another professional would probably never be deemed sufficient without doing your own assessment. Which is horrible for clients, as it means they can keep being asked the same things over and over.
Hopefully the fact he has been through it once means it will be easier for him going forward.
AnnaMagnani · 31/07/2024 18:39

@toomanytonotice No, as stated in the DVLA guidance linked to by a PP, you do not need to notify the DVLA for mild to moderate depression or anxiety.

They helpfully give clear instructions about what they do want to hear about: significant memory or concentration problems, agitation, behavioural disturbance or suicidal thoughts

Even if you do have these features, you can be fit to drive after 3 months being well, complying with your treatment plan and no side effects impairing concentration.

The OP has thought that the backing of CAMHS would be enough so appealed. But the DVLA cannot go against there own rules which state for severe features you have to be stable for 3 months.

Any assessment would have gone into her son's mental health quite deeply to establish whether he really had severe features and if so are they now resolved. A mental health assessment always involves asking a lot of very personal questions and the DVLA medical advisors rightly take their responsibility very seriously.

Wonderfulday · 31/07/2024 18:28

toomanytonotice · 31/07/2024 18:27

So does everyone starting an antidepressant have to stop driving for 3 months and report to dvla?

there’d be a lot of people affected if that were the rule.

Only if it affects your ability to drive that's why I am so annoyed at all this

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toomanytonotice · 31/07/2024 18:27

So does everyone starting an antidepressant have to stop driving for 3 months and report to dvla?

there’d be a lot of people affected if that were the rule.

Wonderfulday · 31/07/2024 18:26

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And his depression

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Only because I was being accused of lying!

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Do you ask for evidence to back up everyone's post, or is it just me you don't believe? Once I get the letter printed and cover info that is personal I will take a picture and upload and tag you

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Lilith666 · 31/07/2024 17:47

Wonderfulday · 31/07/2024 17:36

I suppose I am seeing this from a mother's point, it has taken my son over a year to improve and get to where he is, I just find it crazy that someone will make a decision on him in 15 mins

Completely understable but try not to take it personally, they will be using this information to make a detailed report on his suitability. In our litigious society it could be that if a person is granted a license, then harms themselves or others, then that person or their family could sue the DVLA for granting the license in the first place.

I hope that it all works out for him and wish you both well.

Wonderfulday · 31/07/2024 17:36

Lilith666 · 31/07/2024 17:33

The reason why someone self-harms or has depression is relevant as the person making the decision about whether he would be considered suitable to hold a license needs all information possible in order to make a balanced decision.

I'm not trying to wind you up, OP, you just need to see this from a dispassionate viewpoint. The DVLA are just trying to keep the roads safe.

If he is unsuccessful this time, can he not re-apply when he has been on meds for 3 months?

I suppose I am seeing this from a mother's point, it has taken my son over a year to improve and get to where he is, I just find it crazy that someone will make a decision on him in 15 mins

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Lilith666 · 31/07/2024 17:33

Wonderfulday · 31/07/2024 17:24

I probably could have worried my post better, I have no issues in them asking HOW it impacts him or HOW his medication makes him feel etc but I can't understand them asking WHY he has depression or why he self harmed, are his answers going to have an effect on their decision? I don't think I agree that "background" should be a decider on whether someone can drive or not, surely it should be based on their current circumstances and how that affects them now!!

The reason why someone self-harms or has depression is relevant as the person making the decision about whether he would be considered suitable to hold a license needs all information possible in order to make a balanced decision.

I'm not trying to wind you up, OP, you just need to see this from a dispassionate viewpoint. The DVLA are just trying to keep the roads safe.

If he is unsuccessful this time, can he not re-apply when he has been on meds for 3 months?

Cesarina · 31/07/2024 17:32

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Whoa........hold on a minute!
Regardless of a) are the DVLA right to request so much info? b) is OP over-involved, indignant and angry on her son's behalf? c) is OP's son concealing something?............that is a very, very sweeping, judgemental, and serious allegation to make.
I look forward to hearing from you as to what/where is your evidence to support your statement.....

ThatsNotHealthy · 31/07/2024 17:31

Wonderfulday · 31/07/2024 17:24

I probably could have worried my post better, I have no issues in them asking HOW it impacts him or HOW his medication makes him feel etc but I can't understand them asking WHY he has depression or why he self harmed, are his answers going to have an effect on their decision? I don't think I agree that "background" should be a decider on whether someone can drive or not, surely it should be based on their current circumstances and how that affects them now!!

I think you need to accept that you open this can of worms with your decision to appeal against their decision. Everything becomes relevant when you want to bypass rules that are in place for everyone’s safety. Those safety rules are in place for good reason and three months is a relatively short length of time. Most people would have waited until the three months had passed. Remember, they’re there to keep your son safe too. I’ve got friends on antidepressants and the side effects are different for everyone. Some people are absolutely fine and others have adverse reactions. I have a friend who would suddenly drop off asleep due to her medication causing tiredness and fatigue.

Wonderfulday · 31/07/2024 17:31

WitchyBits · 31/07/2024 17:28

@Wonderfulday

They are asking these questions as your son would be in corona of a very heavy very Dane's vehicle and if he drive into oncoming traffic it would be catastrophic. Surely you can see that? These questions ARE relevant.

I would never want my son driving if he was a risk to himself or others, so like I have said previously, I understand and agree with the checks but I felt the questions were the issue, HOW the depression impacts him is relevant not the reason for having depression

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WitchyBits · 31/07/2024 17:28

@Wonderfulday

They are asking these questions as your son would be in corona of a very heavy very Dane's vehicle and if he drive into oncoming traffic it would be catastrophic. Surely you can see that? These questions ARE relevant.

Wonderfulday · 31/07/2024 17:28

yhk · 31/07/2024 17:24

As others have said, it wouldn't have been because of depression.

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/65cf7243e1bdec001a322268/assessing-fitness-to-drive-february-2024.pdf

Chapter 4, page 92.

It's because he is on medication for depression but was on it for less than 3 months

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Wonderfulday · 31/07/2024 17:24

Lilith666 · 31/07/2024 17:19

It sounds as if DVLA are following guidelines; they just need as much information as possible about his background in order to make a balanced decision on his suitability as a driver.

I probably could have worried my post better, I have no issues in them asking HOW it impacts him or HOW his medication makes him feel etc but I can't understand them asking WHY he has depression or why he self harmed, are his answers going to have an effect on their decision? I don't think I agree that "background" should be a decider on whether someone can drive or not, surely it should be based on their current circumstances and how that affects them now!!

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