Daily mail article, integration has failed in Germany. Aibu to agree with article?

At some point politicians will notice enough of this tension and think about what to do. I’m
not sure just dismissal will work out well

Not wanting to enter this debate but there has been a lot of reporting this year about Christians being the most persecuted group world wide. The evidence is from the House of Commons Library
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cdp-2024-0017/

If I moved to many countries my religion would not be accepted, I could be persecuted & I definitely would not be able to practice my Christianity or access a church

I shouldn't bite but I can't help it. OP you've provided a list of the top 50 countries where Christians are most at risk of persecution (out of the 150 that organization surveys). Apart from the fact that this is a ranking, and doesn't mean a Christian is actually at any material risk in country (and most definitely doesn't mean a Christian can't practice or access a church), this doesn't support the statement that you have made unless you converted from Islam - for the majority of the countries which are listed as 'extreme' the risk to Christians isn't because they're Christian, but because they've converted from Islam. Did you convert or do you actually have any source that supports your actual statement?

In a lot of countries there are militant groups and terrorist organizations that specifically target people different to them and yes, with Islamist groups, this can be Christians. Are you seriously suggesting that because extremist groups (the same groups that refugees themselves are often running from) don't accept something, we shouldn't either?

As a general comment, given how many refugees non-European countries like Lebanon and Jordan take in, to suggest Germany (or the UK) is overloaded is laughable in my view.

I am now convinced that the purpose of this thread and so many like it is to be as exhausting as possible so that The Left gradually give up the will to fight for a just world. Spoiler: we won’t give up.

@Saschka I've glanced at that list.

Saudi amazingly has 2 million Christians. The risk there is from extreme Islam.
Clans (whatever that is)

So, provide me with this list of places where, if you moved to them, you’d be unable to freely practice Christianity.

And are you seriously suggesting that because Catholics in Mexico are at risk of drug crime, we should ban Muslims from worship in the U.K. or Germany? How about Hindus and Jews? How is that logical?

@Bushmillsbabe it's quite common and also common for community leaders to knowingly or unknowingly contribute to a two tiered system in the UK.
Eg a girl in papers years ago was suffering abuse, she eventually bravely ran away, the police spoke to a community elder and she went back and was abused possibly killed I can't remember.

It's very important to help women in communities where they may feel trapped and obligated, don't speak English, don't know their rights to support them. But unfortunately this can only come from within the community.
I know there are lots of charities trying to help.

And yet despite your superior googling skills, you were only able to find a list of places where Catholics were at risk of drug crime. Perhaps this list is difficult to locate because expat Christians aren’t actually at particularly high risk of persecution anywhere?

(I also don’t see why OP thinks this is a “gotcha” for problems with refugees integrating, but since she does, I’m going to refute it).

As is often the way, the first post nails it.

The Daily Mail knows exactly what it’s doing and it is despicable.

Because OP is using the “Christians are the real victims” dogwhistle, and it is simply not true.

I think comments like these are very unhelpful

Well technically it's Deutschland but hey ho.

But is it as absolute as it is or isn't working? Some immigrants come to this (or any) country bringing skills and knowledge and are massively valuable.

My NHS team is 16 is made up of 3 British, 1 Greek, 2 Malaysian, 1 Portuguese, 4 Indian, 2 Sri Lankan, 2 South African and 1 Australian. Covering all 5 major religions. 13 out of 16 not born here. Without these immigrants my team would be completely stuffed, and the local commuinity would be worse off. They have all integrated, working and contributing.

Where integration doesn't work is often where there is a language barrier, it's really hard to integrate if you cannot communicate. There are language classes available, but there are often barriers to women in particular attending these, due to lack of available childcare, traditional expectations placed on them by their communities to stay home and care for the house and children and that they don't need to learn the language of the place they are living to do this. There are so many cases of domestic violence we have come across but can't do anything as the women won't disclose to us via an interpreter as they think that interpreter will take that information back to their commuinity and put them at greater risk. We so often suspect but cannot do anything to help due to the commuinication barriers, which is terrible for both the women and children involved.

It blows my mind that people can live in a country for 20 years and not be able to communicate in the language of that country. IMHO the focus should be on developing language, even if it has to be made compulsory. If it was a legal obligation, then women would have to be allowed to attend, childcare would have to be provided, and women could then get jobs and provide for their families and work their way out of poverty, acheive greater independence etc.

I wasn't directing it at you, I agree pp could simply use google.

They are just biting the hands that feed them . Germany is Germany .

Immigration has not failed. In some aspects it has been great.

There are lots of people from different cultures and countries who have moved here and contributed massively. They don’t get enough credit. I feel desperately sorry for them.

However, there are also a large number of people who have moved to the UK and cherry pick the bits they want, and leave the rest. They live in enclaves, they don’t learn the language, and instead of adopting the values and freedoms we have here, they import very serious misogyny and other behaviours that are like water to oil for our society.

There are also very serious issues with the offspring of immigrants here who often feel disaffected.

I lived overseas and my 2 DC were born in 2 countries with a very different culture to us. I left because I could see issues in the future.

So, no immigration hasn’t failed. It’s a good thing.

Let’s all stop pussy footing around though and avoiding eye contact and have the courage to say that allowing masses of people into our country whose values and culture are incompatible with western values has caused chaos.

If I apologise, will you answer my other questions?

I apologise if I ‘blatently reworded’ what you said. (I didn’t)

I do apologise for blatantly rewording what you said on this one though, however I had to as quoting you directly was playing havoc with my autocorrect.

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The Daily Mail? And you are agreeing with something that rag spits out?

YABU.

Why are we even off on this tangent exactly?