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Daily mail article, integration has failed in Germany. Aibu to agree with article?

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Mimififi · 31/07/2024 12:00

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687565/Children-radicalised-mosques-11-knives-crime-verdict-German-child-refugee-charity-integration-failed-asylum-seekers.html?ns_mchannel=rss&ns_campaign=1490&ito=

Aibu to agree to an extent?

German refugee charity warns 'integration has FAILED'

In a bombshell interview, staff at a leading youth organisation in Germany have said the continuing influx of refugees means the system is at breaking point. They called for a 'freeze' in admissions.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13687565/Children-radicalised-mosques-11-knives-crime-verdict-German-child-refugee-charity-integration-failed-asylum-seekers.html?ito=social-twitter_mailonline&ns_campaign=1490&ns_mchannel=rss

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 31/07/2024 15:13

Mimififi · 31/07/2024 15:12

https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2024-07-23/20-arrests-over-rioting-in-leeds

Of course I do. And I equally condemn the riots in Leeds a couple of weeks ago.

Thank you.

Mimififi · 31/07/2024 15:12

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 31/07/2024 15:10

So you condemn the protests outside the mosque and acknowledge that they were motivated by racism and islamophobia?

https://www.itv.com/news/calendar/2024-07-23/20-arrests-over-rioting-in-leeds

Of course I do. And I equally condemn the riots in Leeds a couple of weeks ago.

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Piggywaspushed · 31/07/2024 15:11

Mimififi · 31/07/2024 12:48

This is exactly my point. I have been to Germany many times & as I said my cousin is married there. It has changed dramatically in the past 6 years. My last visit to Munich was in the Feb half term, I was shocked at the visible amount of homeless, especially elderly homeless

Try Milton Keynes or Oxford some time.

TheCookieCrumblesThisWay · 31/07/2024 15:11

Dylanesque · 31/07/2024 15:01

See the phrase 'some (not all)'

Some Brits don't attend Carol Concerts. Shall we send them back somewhere because they don't value their own cultural heritage?

JaneVtwaddle · 31/07/2024 15:11

Mrs benett of course they were?
But what has that got to do with the article from this charity in Germany?

Mimififi · 31/07/2024 15:10

@Allthegoodnamesarechosen
Speaking of Christmas markets
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67564172

I chose a BBC article this time to appese our lefties who would spontaneously combust if they clicked a Daily Mail link😁 this correlates with the article I posted, Germany again, male youth again...

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MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 31/07/2024 15:10

Mimififi · 31/07/2024 15:00

I'm horrified, the events last night were shocking. It's scary the way it escalated so quickly. At the end of the day the riots last night have completely overshadowed the three little girls who were murdered & the others stabbed who are in a critical condition. Thoughts & prayers with them all & their families. I know one of the little girls mum was begging for calm last night😢

So you condemn the protests outside the mosque and acknowledge that they were motivated by racism and islamophobia?

EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 31/07/2024 15:09

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Hear hear.

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Lilysgoneshopping · 31/07/2024 15:08

IvyCardamom · 31/07/2024 15:04

Why is the left apparently so scared to confront the blatantly unjust, un-progressive, intolerant, misogynistic, abusive and in many cases, fascistic ideas and behaviours promoted within certain sections of society eg. Muslim fundamentalism? Not all of it comes from immigrants, there are also British-born fundamentalists & converts, their leftist enablers, and crossovers with other left wing, extremist, totalitarian cults such as Antifa & TRAs who obviously have many shared aims eg. misogyny, disregard for child safeguarding and a totalitarian desire to shut down peaceful, democratic free speech. People are sick of this hypocrisy on the left. You say you want a just world, but you seem extremely selective about who you think is worthy of justice & human rights.

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EverythingAllatOnceAllTheTime · 31/07/2024 15:08

It’s the same across Europe and elsewhere.

The UK is no different - unfettered immingration is tearing countries, and communities apart.

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 31/07/2024 15:08

Mimififi · 31/07/2024 14:55

Well you did use the terms racists & bigots. People are absolutely entitled to their opinions on immigration & how it is handled, taxpayers in particular as we fund it so need it to work.
Questioning how our taxpayers money is being spent & if it is being spent correctly is the right thing to do.
The daily mail article refers to charities in Germany highlighting the problems in Germany which actually makes for very interesting discussion which obviously involves some maturity on the part of some.
I'm referring to those whose
language is limited to using the slurs "racist, bigot, far right" for anyone who dares have a different opinion & those who have a curiosity about how exactly things are going in regards to mass immigration.

Yes, I did use the term racists and bigots, because I see a great deal of racism and bigotry on these boards. I make no apology for telling the truth as I see it, and if individuals conclude that my comments are about them, then they might want to reflect on why they consider it likely that I would be describing them in that way.

I have no issue whatsoever with people taking a different view on immigration and I am happy to have a reasonable debate about it, if people prove themselves to be capable of doing so without resorting to racist tropes and dog whistles. Words such as "racist" are not intended as insults or slurs, they are intended as factual descriptions of the types of statements and behaviours that people are observing.

There may well be points that are worthy of debate in the article that you have been promoting, but given that it is published by a right wing newspaper with a very openly racist agenda, you surely can't be expecting this to lead to a reasonable and rational debate?

Mimififi · 31/07/2024 15:06

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Mimififi · 31/07/2024 15:06

IvyCardamom · 31/07/2024 15:04

Why is the left apparently so scared to confront the blatantly unjust, un-progressive, intolerant, misogynistic, abusive and in many cases, fascistic ideas and behaviours promoted within certain sections of society eg. Muslim fundamentalism? Not all of it comes from immigrants, there are also British-born fundamentalists & converts, their leftist enablers, and crossovers with other left wing, extremist, totalitarian cults such as Antifa & TRAs who obviously have many shared aims eg. misogyny, disregard for child safeguarding and a totalitarian desire to shut down peaceful, democratic free speech. People are sick of this hypocrisy on the left. You say you want a just world, but you seem extremely selective about who you think is worthy of justice & human rights.

Because they are sheep incapable of forming their own opinions

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Allthegoodnamesarechosen · 31/07/2024 15:04

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IvyCardamom · 31/07/2024 15:04

Tootjaskoot · 31/07/2024 14:01

I am now convinced that the purpose of this thread and so many like it is to be as exhausting as possible so that The Left gradually give up the will to fight for a just world. Spoiler: we won’t give up.

Why is the left apparently so scared to confront the blatantly unjust, un-progressive, intolerant, misogynistic, abusive and in many cases, fascistic ideas and behaviours promoted within certain sections of society eg. Muslim fundamentalism? Not all of it comes from immigrants, there are also British-born fundamentalists & converts, their leftist enablers, and crossovers with other left wing, extremist, totalitarian cults such as Antifa & TRAs who obviously have many shared aims eg. misogyny, disregard for child safeguarding and a totalitarian desire to shut down peaceful, democratic free speech. People are sick of this hypocrisy on the left. You say you want a just world, but you seem extremely selective about who you think is worthy of justice & human rights.

HowardTJMoon · 31/07/2024 15:04

HappierTimesAhead · 31/07/2024 15:01

I don't feel that the violent thugs who started rioting in Southport last night are particularly well integrated in British society and I definitely don't feel they reflect my values - can I send them back somewhere?

Gammonistan, I think

HowardTJMoon · 31/07/2024 15:03

Dylanesque · 31/07/2024 14:59

Indeed. Balanced by the recent decades of people who haven't

How many decades are we talking? Enoch Powell era, National Front era, BNP era or EDL era? Or possibly the full Oswald Mosley?

hattie43 · 31/07/2024 15:02

Jubileetime · 31/07/2024 14:57

A big problem with what is happening just now is the debate is shut down and views dismissed as far right, the difference in the comments and the voting is very interesting

How do you vote

Dylanesque · 31/07/2024 15:01

TheCookieCrumblesThisWay · 31/07/2024 14:47

who says immigrants don't attend Christkindlesmarkts?

See the phrase 'some (not all)'

HappierTimesAhead · 31/07/2024 15:01

I don't feel that the violent thugs who started rioting in Southport last night are particularly well integrated in British society and I definitely don't feel they reflect my values - can I send them back somewhere?

Mimififi · 31/07/2024 15:00

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 31/07/2024 14:47

How safe do you think Muslims in Southport feel now with regard to practising their religion, OP? I assume that you will unreservedly condemn the riots outside the mosque last night?

I'm horrified, the events last night were shocking. It's scary the way it escalated so quickly. At the end of the day the riots last night have completely overshadowed the three little girls who were murdered & the others stabbed who are in a critical condition. Thoughts & prayers with them all & their families. I know one of the little girls mum was begging for calm last night😢

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Dylanesque · 31/07/2024 14:59

cupcaske123 · 31/07/2024 14:44

That isn't true. We've had centuries of immigration to the UK by people who have integrated successfully.

Indeed. Balanced by the recent decades of people who haven't

Jubileetime · 31/07/2024 14:57

A big problem with what is happening just now is the debate is shut down and views dismissed as far right, the difference in the comments and the voting is very interesting

MrsBennetsPoorNerves · 31/07/2024 14:56

ll09sm · 31/07/2024 14:38

What’s your view on the stupid owning their stupidity? Any chance of that any time soon?

I wouldn't know, but I wouldn't think so.

What's your expert opinion on the matter?

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