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To think descendants of slave owners should visit former plantations?

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rowernoke · 31/07/2024 06:32

Particularly if their family still has wealth earned through the atrocities of the slave trade and slavery?

For example, Laura Trevalyan visited former plantations in Grenada and met with local people to understand the role her ancestors played in the slave trade. She was so moved by this that she is now sponsoring education initiatives for those affected.

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Windchiming · 31/07/2024 09:15

LordPercyPercy · 31/07/2024 07:13

Japan as a nation and Germany have both done soul searching and acknowledged their pasts

Germany has yes, but Japan certainly has not.

And what about many countries causing damage right now and doing no soul searching? Let's also start making a plan to educate their future generations for the wrongdoings of their ancestors today? Social media will help 🤔

TheKeatingFive · 31/07/2024 09:14

Chrsytalchondalier · 31/07/2024 09:00

I think if you're profiting somehow, then yes you are. Morally at least. Sometimes it's good to look at it from the other person's point of view and then see what you think

But what do you mean by 'profiting'? Very, very people can trace wealth they have today directly back to slave profits, without the picture being complicated by multiple additional factors.

Itsjustmeheretoday · 31/07/2024 09:13

sixtyandsomething · 31/07/2024 09:07

ALL - as do most of the world, actually

The rest of the world are vikings? Um, you might want to fact check that! 🤣

IMustDoMoreExercise · 31/07/2024 09:13

NutellaEllaElla · 31/07/2024 09:07

What do you mean it only works one way?

You said that no-one is responsible for their father's sins. So should they benefit financially from their father's sins? If yes, then why if they should bear no responsibity for them?

alittleprivacy · 31/07/2024 09:11

Noras · 31/07/2024 07:37

i think that all the Normans should give the lands back to the Saxons who in turn should give the land back to the Celts! Also all Normans should pay reparation for the indenture of the Saxons.

Also I think that all descendants of the Russian royal family and aristocracy should make reparations to all the nationalities and Jews forcibly removed from their homes.They should also pay reparations to descendants of the serfs etc.

I think that all Americans should give back the land to the original inhabitants of America.

I would like all descendants of British landowners in Ireland to make reparation to the Irish for the death shops and potato famine.

Just from the top of my head!

In reality we are where we are and have to be fair form now on in with the situation we have.

I mean the OP talks about a Trevelyan. If she's related to Trevelyan of the stolen corn could the OP please tell her we'd like Michael back!

VickyEadieofThigh · 31/07/2024 09:10

JudgeJ · 31/07/2024 06:52

True, maybe the descendants of the Vikings can visit us and see or meet the results of their raping and pillaging.
Where do we draw a line under history?

Like many people whose family is from Yorkshire, my DNA is 40% Scandinavian (from the Viking settlement that was a much greater thing than the pillaging, etc) As you say, how far back are we going?

OtterMouse · 31/07/2024 09:09

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Lilysgoneshopping · 31/07/2024 09:07

I would like reparations for the way my recent ancestors were treated. Forced to leave school at 12, working in Mills, coal mines, contracting terrible diseases, dying before they reached 40. Living in poverty and squalor, noo heating, no hot water, no flushing toilets. No welfare state, no national health. Watching their infants die of horrible childhood illnesses, contracting TB .
Yep!! I'll have some.of that!! Here's my bank details

NutellaEllaElla · 31/07/2024 09:07

IMustDoMoreExercise · 31/07/2024 09:03

No, but in that case should they benefit from the sins financially? Why does it only work one way?

What do you mean it only works one way?

sixtyandsomething · 31/07/2024 09:07

Lisbeth50 · 31/07/2024 09:04

Apparently, most ethnically English people have a small percentage of Scandinavian DNA, presumably from distant Viking ancestors.

ALL - as do most of the world, actually

Polarnight · 31/07/2024 09:05

Would descendants of the Barbary States like to reflect upon what their ancestors did? Didn't think so and they made European slave owners look like saints. Barbary pirates castrated their slaves so there'd be no descendants.

Honestly move on. Why does everyone now view the past through a modern lens. Why are modern standards applied to the past.

MikeRafone · 31/07/2024 09:05

Do you mean just the Atlantic slave trade owners or the slave trade on the continent of Africa that was taking place before the Atlantic slave trade started?

www.rmg.co.uk/stories/topics/history-transatlantic-slave-trade#:~:text=Slavery%20existed%20in%20Africa%20before,as%20alcohol%2C%20beads%20and%20cloth.

Lisbeth50 · 31/07/2024 09:04

JudgeJ · 31/07/2024 06:52

True, maybe the descendants of the Vikings can visit us and see or meet the results of their raping and pillaging.
Where do we draw a line under history?

Apparently, most ethnically English people have a small percentage of Scandinavian DNA, presumably from distant Viking ancestors.

IMustDoMoreExercise · 31/07/2024 09:03

NutellaEllaElla · 31/07/2024 06:42

No one is responsible for the sins of their father.

No, but in that case should they benefit from the sins financially? Why does it only work one way?

ButWhatAboutTheBees · 31/07/2024 09:03

My ancestors were likely poorly paid workers whose part in the slave trade was to make the chains whilst being paid a pittance (which went back to the boss anyway as payment for the house they had to live in) with no hope of improving their lot in life...

Should I be forced to pay those slaves back more than my ancestors would ever hope to own?

I don't think rich people should be forced to go to see atrocities "in the flesh" as it were before deciding they should use their vast wealth to help others... I think they should realise they can help people without needing to see these place. But that's a pipe dream

Chrsytalchondalier · 31/07/2024 09:00

NutellaEllaElla · 31/07/2024 06:42

No one is responsible for the sins of their father.

I think if you're profiting somehow, then yes you are. Morally at least. Sometimes it's good to look at it from the other person's point of view and then see what you think

sixtyandsomething · 31/07/2024 08:59

rowernoke · 31/07/2024 06:32

Particularly if their family still has wealth earned through the atrocities of the slave trade and slavery?

For example, Laura Trevalyan visited former plantations in Grenada and met with local people to understand the role her ancestors played in the slave trade. She was so moved by this that she is now sponsoring education initiatives for those affected.

We are ALL decedents of slave owners, every single one of us. And we are all decedents of slaves

Sometimeswinning · 31/07/2024 08:58

LadyCrumpet · 31/07/2024 08:34

I think slavery needs to be put to bed now in terms of people alive today having to feel guilty about it. Remember it so it doesn't happen again, yes, but stop with all the nonsense like in this op and reparations etc. And I say that as someone whose great grandparents were indentured.

Put your efforts and the spotlight on current day slavery and trafficking. Those people need help more.

This!

Zusammen · 31/07/2024 08:58

I wouldn’t be happy if I was expected to apologise for things I didn’t personally do. There have been some absolute dicks in my family, for example my father abused my mother. So I’m responsible for his actions, am I?

Mistymountain · 31/07/2024 08:56

It's not just white people descended from slave owners.

Windchiming · 31/07/2024 08:48

NutellaEllaElla · 31/07/2024 06:42

No one is responsible for the sins of their father.

I agree with this. About the unfair wealth, if someone wants to create a charity, it is great but you cannot force people. Kids of CEOs, investment managers, politicians have unfair advantage which kids of people working in the companies at junior levels or those impacted by the loss of their investments thanks to ambitious and agreed decisions made by hedge fund managers don't. What about when a parent give inheritance to one child and not the other and the children of those who left out are impacted. I would be all for it, if this social justice is done for everyone but I think it won't happen, and such debates can only make one side not resentful and angry rather than moving on.

TheKeatingFive · 31/07/2024 08:43

Put your efforts and the spotlight on current day slavery and trafficking. Those people need help more.

A million times this

SeulementUneFois · 31/07/2024 08:40

Absolutely.
Similarly, the Ottoman Empire invaded, raped and pillaged my country and neighbouring countries; took young women as sex slaves in harems and boy children (toddlers+) to forcibly convert into their religion.
The Turkish people, Turkey as a state as well as the other nearby states who made up the Ottoman Empire should be made face this, have it in their history books including the suffering the Ottoman Empire caused, and pay reparations.

SparkyBlue · 31/07/2024 08:39

Alalalalalongalalalalalonglonglilong · 31/07/2024 07:35

Don't be ridiculous OP. That's a ticket to civil war and unrest. Funny how you didn't think of Catholics in NI, you went straight to slavery, much more virtue signalling there.

I admit I know little of history, but isn't that the same Trevelyan notorious in Ireland where a million died during the famine and saying it was God's way of punishing them? Maybe the descendants could visit the west coast where abandoned villages are still visible today. For anyone that doesnt know there was no 'famine', the country was rich in food but it was exported. So British people ate it and wealthy English people profited more. That was only 170 years ago, long after the slave trade was abolished. So let's make everyone who is wealthy in the UK do a tour and hand out money to the Irish, generous upper class Brits helping the poor unfortunate Irish. See how ridiculous that would be? And racist too?

I just actually googled and Charles Trevelyan was her great great great grandfather. He is one of the most hated figures in Irish History and is name most people here will have heard of. His family also received massive amounts of compensation from Queen Victoria in the early 1800s for the abolition of slavery so they seemed to cause absolute fucking misery all over the globe so I can possibly understand her personally being ashamed of her family's past past. However no you can't hold people accountable for things their ancestors did.

Hateam · 31/07/2024 08:38

Aussieland · 31/07/2024 07:23

this arguement gets so tired. Sure. Whatever makes you feel better about the role of your own country

I feel that by dismissing this, you're being selective and about which bits of history you care about.

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