To think descendants of slave owners should visit former plantations?

I've got Viking DNA in me , possibly through one of my ancestors bring raped . So do I ask the Danish Government for compensation? Where is this madness going to end ?

Oh give it a rest and pick up a world history book!

Yes, I know that slave markets, in there very traditional form, people paraded around in a ring to be bid on, still exist in parts of Africa. Or at least did in the 90s, I don't know about now. There was a quite controversial charity at the time who used to buy and free people sold as slaves.

It wasn't even a crime at the time. Do you want to punish people retrospectively for things that were legal and common place? If you did want to do that, they're dead anyway. You're being selective about which 'crimes' you want to retroactively punish innocent people for. I hope you've looked into your family tree several hundred years back and repented for your original sins.

It is widely accepted 'learn your history' with the idea this stops you making the same mistakes. I heard a war reporter disputing this and saying actually we should forget our history, remembering it just continues wars and resentment between communities down through the generations for hundreds of years.

Had?

In sub saharan African countries today in 2024 there is slavery. Black slave owners are all good right? It's still happening

Yemen reintroduced slavery : again who cares about them right.

Let's just get at the whites for what their ancestors did.

Because average Japanese back then was more of a victim. They paid more than they got for multiple generations from nuclear weapons used in two major cities. What is your background that you are demanding apologies from Japanese? Are you a virue signalist?

ButWhatAboutTheBees · Today 09:46
MrsSkylerWhite · Today 09:19
I’m a descendant of a slave and their owner. Where does that leave me 🤷‍♀️

Pay yourself £50

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I was amazed to learn that some black people in the Caribbean also had black slaves. Where do their descendents go for atonement?

I don't consider myself responsible for any sins of my forebears. That said, if I did have any profits from plantations where slaves were mistreated, I might still feel I'd like to do something - if I were wealthy directly because of it. I'd probably consider the ongoing impact and start some relevant scholarships or something. I still wouldn't feel personally responsible or like I owed apologies though.

However, I don't have any past connection to slavery and I'm not wealthy. So moot here.

I can see more of a case for more honest history curriculums (curricula?).

I remember being taught a bit about the slave trade but it was made out to be more the US being behind that. I knew almost nothing about colonialism until I was well into adulthood. It's like we were only taught history with the UK as the goodies.

I dont want to go that far back. Could someone get my cousins to pay me my share as my grandparents gave all inheritance to their son, leaving their daughter out of it because she is a woman and responsibility of her husband. Sadly my father was a gambler and left us poor. Now on top of it my mum had a disability, whereas my mum's brother was in a very well paying job and sent his kids to very expensive private schools, I feel my cousins unfairly got massive advantage over me. But they think being children of a male child, it was their right. Can we atleast solve this social injustice as it's not even that old?

I agree.
But no one should profit from the sins of the father either.

Japan hasn’t acknowledged the extent of its WW2 atrocities. For every official apology there is another half arsed one and a visit to the shrine of war criminally. Meanwhile most normal Japanese don’t think Japan did anything particularly bad or exceptional compared to the fighting expected in a war (also reflected in their school curriculum).

Vieux chapeau.

If they want to, then they will do so.

If they don't want to, then they won't.

I'm not really sure what else there is to say.

A 2010 BBC News article reported that 2,600 migrant women were trafficked into the UK for sexual exploitation during a 12-month period. This figure was based on a report that estimated that 17,000 of the 30,000 women involved in off-street prostitution in England and Wales were migrant women, and 2,600 of those were trafficked.

I wonder if in 200 years time their descendants will visit the UK and hear stories of where these women are working and how someone eventually put a stop to it.

The problem with paying back what you gained is that noone ever has proper answers to the practicalities of it. Its always so vague and nebulous.

How do you separate out exactly what money came from nefarious means and what did not
What if that money is tied up in their business or house- should they sell it and make themselves homeless or without an income to repay it
Pay back to whom?- anyone whose ancestors was a victim of slavery or the specific victims of that case and how do you track that- what if there arent any written records left?
Are there tax implications of monetary pay back?
What if the ancestor or their relatives left all their money to an organisation or charity- should they pay it back?
What if the ancestor had no surviving biological kids and left their money to a friend of the family who is unrelated to them and didnt have slave owner ancestors, do they have to also pay it back?
What if an elderly person gives away an appropriate sum and then requires a care home- is that deprivation of assets?
What if the relatives put that money into a business that then went bankrupt during covid and there is none left - should they go into debt to pay it off?
Who decides on the amount? if you are talking about putting it truly "right" then generations of missed money could run into millions over that time, not just a few thousand pounds or dollars, that isnt going to cut it.
Should it be means tested based on how much the relative can afford?- how is that fair if some people get lots of money back and others get lesser amounts
What if they've squandered it all away on a hedonistic lifestyle of alcohol and drugs?- how will you make them pay it back?
What if the relatives are using the money for care and are disabled and cannot work?
What if all the relatives are dead and any remaining money has gone back to the state as there was no will- should the state pay it out?

There are so many complexities to this that simply saying "just pay it back" is really quite naive.

I don't know. You'd have to ask OP. My own response is a generalisation. I just think people need to stop projecting and ranting on about guilt when the message was "understanding" your families past.

Pay yourself £50?

But why only them? So many other ancestors will have been troublesome when looked through today’s lense

So should Auschwitz soldiers' descendants be made to visit there?

I disagree. If you were phenomenally wealthy due to your parent's war crimes don't you feel you are indebted to those who suffered in order for you to now be wealthy?

But if they are still financially benefitting from it (in a big way judging by the huge stately homes they own) surely there’s no reason not to contribute something

Tracing my family back, there is an unusual surname. There was a notorious proponent of slavery with the same name (and from a similar geographic area) so it’s quite possible we are distantly related. What do you expect me to do? I am a moderately well-off pensioner. Serious question.