To refuse to go into a hot and sweaty office

Where do you work?

Therefore a management issue not a wfh issue.
In my experience there are lazy people who work from offices who seem to get away with doing very little, chatting incessantly and disturbing colleagues who want to get on with their work.

It cannot be assumed that just because they are at a desk, in front of a computer and in an office, they are productive. They are just present.

I agree 100%

A decent manager should have a handle on what their staff are doing.

That's as may be, but mouse jigglers can't do your work for you.

A decent manager should have a handle on what work each of their direct reports is supposed to be doing and whether it is actually getting done.

This applies whether people are WFH or in the office.

My point , and I really think you do know this, this that many people who are WFH are regularly not working.

whats your point? My job is to deliver projects, no matter where I am in the world, not jiggle my mouse! Is that why you’re getting all het up by this? Presenteeism is a measure of how hard you appear to be working for your appraisal?

It is my opinion tthat anybody who buys a mouse jiggler that is undetectable to IT departments does so to make it look like they're working when they are not.

Amazon sell tens of thousands of them. Therefore tens of thousands of people working from home are often having a bit of a skive.

That seems to be a management of staff issue, not producing any meaningful work with no output accountability rather than a WFH issue.

What?

They did let her!

When she asked, they said yes and allowed her to work from home for the rest of the week.

What more do you want?

I was allowed home when I was pregnant because there is a maximum safe temperature for that. Unfortunately there's not one otherwise. We just had to bake when the air-con broke. It seems madness that you could work from home but they won't let you though 🤦‍♀️

So why do people buy mouse jigglers?

Why does it need to be undetectable to IT departments?

@Hateam

"I don't assume everyone working from home is skiving.

I assume everyone who buys a mouse juggler that is undetectable to IT departments is skiving.

Amazon sell tens of thousands of these "

Except in my work we are linked to Teams and need to be able to answer messages and phone calls at ANY time of the day. A mouse juggler can't answer a call for you!

I don't assume everyone working from home is skiving.

I assume everyone who buys a mouse juggler that is undetectable to IT departments is skiving.

Amazon sell tens of thousands of these.

I agree about not going in. I mainly WFH and went into the office on Monday. It was so hot I couldn’t concentrate and was almost falling asleep at the desk (no air con at all in NHS offices). Don’t see the point in suffering when you can work from home

Yes - but you can choose what to wear, shorts and vest top for example with no bra that you couldn't get away with in the office.

You can also have iced water and a fan pointed in whatever position makes you more comfortable- health & safety in some offices may say this is a trip hazard.

Sweat pouring from your face isn't as embarrassing at home!

Except this thread is about OP who is feeling unwell from the heat. It’s not about you. Although I’m guessing the car you use to get from one visit to the next has aircon and windows that open 😂

All these people who assume everyone who works from home is skiving - I guess we know how hard they work when their bosses aren’t looking. 😂

Where did I say it makes me a heroine? …fucking weird comment 🙄…...I work in the community …..in patients houses…..some are like sweat boxes…..some are quite cool…..depending on how people live….. I just get on with it….doesn’t worry me either way……the office buildings are for staff only

I think you need to work on your reading comprehension, and perhaps your empathy too.

The OP clearly said they have no aid con and are not allowed to open the windows.

I would assume the OP is able to open the windows in her own home.

Get a cheap portable fan, loads on Amazon
the menopause is awful & can make people tetchy

Oh my god the excuses MNetters come up with these days so as not to have to go into the office just reached new heights. Is your home fully air conditioned? I doubt it

It’s actually not a good idea to open the windows when it’s very hot outside. Can’t let the cool breeze in if there isn’t one. Pull the blinds down and switch on a fan.

Agree it's not necessarily an age thing.

Some of the worst comments on this thread have come from older women who think because they had no accommodations made, and apparently failed to notice the women who were driven out of the workforce by menopause symptoms, that's a perfect model for the ages.

You're very right about needing to encourage working environments that respond to people's needs as far as possible. We've lost millions of workers since covid and lots are either long term sick or carers. If we're to bring those people back in, that'll employers who are flexible about their needs, rather than those who think that because some jobs are done on building sites, in PPE etc that's somehow an answer to everything.

As with the nurse saying similar on this thread, I am bemused. You are right about NHS buildings not having aircon. But you seem to think that makes you some kind of heroine? Has anyone considered that it probably isn’t good for the patients to suffer in the heat, even if the workforce would rather struggle on and play at being martyrs? 🤦‍♀️

That’s nice of your employer but there’s no “should” about it. There are lots of places that don’t even have air con in first place