To refuse to go into a hot and sweaty office

@ODFOx 5 years ago we all went in to the office most of the time; moaned when it was occasionally too hot for comfort; cracked on.

That's your choice if you don't value yourself enough to let your employer know that working conditions aren't as they should be

OP@Floofydawg obviously thinks differently (and with reason)

IME employers are fully aware of their responsibilities, but will often ignore them if people don't bother to speak up.

They provide the bare minimum they can get away with and if no-one bothers to question it, then they continue to get away with less than optimal working conditions for their employees.............. so, who wins and who loses??

110% will be the local council or an NHS thing.

Bet it’s a public sector office

@Yerroblemom1923

Forgot to ask we're really not helping the cause what cause??

We didn't have widespread remote working in the 90s and I'm sure if we did there would be people working from home.
Working from an office when there is no real need is an ideological (and personal wealth creating policy) coming from wealthy landlords who had the ear of the previous government.

No, you don't appreciate how uncomfortable the menopause is or you would have some empathy. Some women have a really hard time day to day, never mind dealing with 30° heat and people like yourself who don't understand.

Actually, the UK has had a problem with menopausal women leaving the workplace due to symptoms for quite some time now.

This is the problem with all these we all managed 5 years ago claims that get trotted out. You didn't see all the people who couldn't manage it, who were pushed out of work due to the requirement of in person attendance. But you didn't notice they weren't there.

Tell them your situation and say you wil go in if the air con works or if they source you a fan

i think people are to quick to refuse to go into the office now

@Fannyfiggs well from the nature of this thread it doesn't sound like those who "wfh" aren't doing much and are prone to flakiness - back in say the 90s you'd be laughed at if you phoned up and said it's too hot today so I won't be coming into work! Just tell your employees to woman-up, stay hydrated and crack on - it's 2 days! How often do we have weather like this?! It'll be autumn in a few weeks and people will be moaning it's too cold to go into work!
I appreciate the menopause can be uncomfortable but come on women, we're really not helping the cause.

So, I am sure there are people who work full on WFH but my experience supports that a significant number of people don't.

And a significant number of people do. Why focus on those who don't?

There was a recent AIBU thread on MN re an employee who was WFH whose workload only added up to 6-7 hours for a full week. Their enquiry was whether he should be honest and tell their boss? I rest my case

That isn't a 'case'. That's a different scenario relating to workload. The fact that that person was WFH is inconsequential.

@ImplacableDiscernment Menopause can be reasonable adjustment

But you don't need to cite 'menopause as a reasonable adjustment' when the temperature alone with the lack of any fresh air provision is sufficient.

Why should @Floofydawg have give any other reasoning?

While I sympathise, this is Britain; there is no rules about requiring air con. Do you have air con at home?
Take a desk fan.
5 years ago we all went in to the office most of the time; moaned when it was occasionally too hot for comfort; cracked on.
You have a legitimate complaint about the air con. Beyond that, 2 days a week is a great hybrid mix; they could ask for 5 days if your contract started before COVID. Don't make yourself into That employee. Make it about the air con, not being in the office.

This, and also there aren't many menopausal women doing manual labour on building sites. Even in the context of that silly argument, it was an odd example.

God. It’s threads like these that make me realise what my working life could be like day to day if I worked in an office. I absolutely don’t think you should have to go into work when it’s too hot but the idea of being able to go home in this situation is so alien.

You’re choosing to highlight a few wfh cases that support your own rhetoric- there are plenty of people that take the piss in other ways when working in the office. I wfh 3 days a week and in the office for 2 but if it was too hot, I would definitely wfh and my manager would support it because she isn’t a dick.

And for what it’s worth, my productivity is measured and I still have time to hang out a load of washing - it’s called taking a screen break 👍

Glad that common sense has prevailed and you can WFH

Menopause can be reasonable adjustment.

I WFH most of the time and am productive in my travel time. I am hard hard working. I was conscientious when I was self employed too. Some people that have never worked from home or are lazy will never understand WFH works for the employer and the employee. I've always had childcare, before and after school care and school holidays play schemes.

Knowing work regulations, I don't know why people are saying that you just need to go into work whatever the conditions and just suck it up??

Because those people don't know anything about that, and what's worse they don't know what they don't know.

I'd refuse to go in personally. What's the point of forcing people to go in when it'd clearly be counterproductive due to being uncomfortable. I also have worked mainly remotely. I've left the office before because it was too cold.

Good stuff but you do know working from home does not equal flakiness.

A happy workforce is a productive workforce 💪

They'll [sic] be people doing all sorts of jobs that other people wouldn't be physically or intellectually capable of doing. So what?

I know I look like a WFH hater but I did it for years as soon as covid hit and I can assure you its a massive benefit for employees and there was a huge kickback when employees were told to go back to 2 days a week on a hybrid model. EVERY reason going was given for not being able to return to the office.

You name it, it could be done on WFH.

I've known people pop out for a whole manner of beauty treatments, school run x 2 daily, childcare, general housework, even DIY, I even managed to re-silicone a shower once. Speakers were full volume on the laptop so you could hear any incoming Teams calls, work mobile never left your side. Lunch was as long as it needed to be, teabreaks were more frequent than the office. This was public sector by the way and even managers didnt care as they were in on it as well. One even fashioned a cardboard box contraption for putting the laptop in so you could comfortably work outside without glare. This is where your taxes go folks!!!

You will find that questions about remote working arrangements tend to inspire an absolute parade of idiocy on here OP. Some good advice too, but unfortunately a lot of posters who must know they have no understanding of employment law will nonetheless tell you that you've got to go into work because they do. Do try to filter out the stupid and take the helpful stuff on board.

https://www.hse.gov.uk/temperature/employer/index.htm

employers must stick to health and safety at work law, including:

• keeping the temperature at a comfortable level
• providing clean and fresh air

And it doesn't matter whether you're in menopause or not

Knowing work regulations, I don't know why people are saying that you just need to go into work whatever the conditions and just suck it up??

But I feel this is the way the world is going nowadays on MN:

e.g.
if you want to raise an issue it's seen as a YOU problem and you have no right to say anything
if you want to help someone out it's seen as 'none of your business, so why are you sticking your nose in?'
if your neighbours are making an unreasonable amount of noise/ disturbance etc then YOU'RE the one with the problem, why can't they make as much noise as they want - it's life innit!

Apparently YOU'RE always the unreasonable one - it's not that other people may be being unreasonable, or disregarding neighbours, or disregarding legalities - apparently other people these days can do whatever they want, whenever they want, without having to think about anyone else ............

..................and I should probably breathe now ! ...........

but ffs there are so many posters on MN who just don't have a clue about how life actually works and what rights and responsibilities actually mean.