To support nurses and teachers who strike over 5.5% pay offeroffer

Teachers won't be striking. There's zero appetite for it.

And so it starts. As night follows day.

Because then I can calculate what % rise it is.

Your point is you included extra like UC and pension into your rise to make it look smaller. If you take your annual wage and as a % of that we can see what the rise is. Guaranteed it is not 2%.

If i'm honest i'd rather forgo my 5.5 percent pay rise and allow elderly people in need to feel warm(er) this year.

All the financial announcements today are utter, ill thought out, stupidity. Anyone who voted for this madness hopefully is getting what they deserve. The rest of us (quite a lot of us based on vote share) are just suffering the hopefully, short lived, ride.

Give nurses 5.5 percent and doctors 22 percent sure. But it won't make many of them stay when they're even more over burdened this year with elderly people.

Why should I tell you that? My point is that it is hardly a pay rise, once you factor in inflation and the retail price
index it is a pay cut in real terms.

What is you annual wage?

1290 / 52 = £24.80 (weekly)
24.80 x 38 = £942.69 (average school year)
£942.68 / 37.5 = £25.14 (full time hours)
25.14 x 25 = £628.50 actual increase before deductions on school day hours
628.50 - tax, NI and pension (estimated) = 502.80 annual
£502.80 / 12 = £41.90

UC reduction of 63p in £ = salary increase of £11.31 a month.

Nowhere near a 10% rise!!

Increase only worth 27p for every additional £1 earned.

So 27% more than you earned per £1.

But still significantly more than 2%. Likely if the TA earns 12,000 it is a 10% rise.

£1290 based on a 52 week, 37.5hr week.

Most support staff in schools work 25-30hrs over 38 weeks.

Then take off tax, NI, and pension and it will work out at possibly £40 a month?

Also if you are claiming Universal Credit then you lose 63p in the pound making the increase only worth 27p for every additional £1 earned.

The government do seem to have broached the WFH issue slightly for teachers by saying PPA can now be taken at home. This could mean a school drop off or pick up a week.

I'm a teacher, I think it's fair. I would like to see support staff getting the same.

The government needs to consider that teachers and health workers can't WFH, and this is going to impact recruitment and retention significantly in the coming years.

Read the junior drs offer in full. It's nothing like 22%.

As school support staff in Scotland, my pay offer worked out at roughly 25p per hour. What an insult. And like someone up thread, the pay rise is meant to happen in April but all the willy waving and posturing and arguing over it means we don't gey anything until the end of the year, meaning it mucks up tax and NI (and UC for those who claim).
A whole 25p per hour - whatever will I spend it on? And yet the powers that be still argue about it all.

If this becomes another teacher bash…. Teachers have also had below inflation pay rises for years. We get too many holidays… blah blah blah… become one then. Did I miss anything? It would be nice if everyone was seen as equal

I am a teacher. I thought last year’s pay award was reasonable and I voted against further strike action. I think 5.5% is also reasonable and will be happy to accept. However, salaries will need to keep increasing year on year as the profession will otherwise become less and less attractive to new recruits, given workload, lack of hybrid options etc.

Junior doctors is a different battle where I think they had to offer more.

The doctors pay scheme had not been updated or increased for years. They have their own separate one.
during this time the other NHS workers had organised bands, some increased to the rates of pay as their pay she ‘Agenda of change’ was reviewed each year. Some freezes aswell.

so the 22% is to try to adjust for over a decade of lagging PLUS making it appealing so we have staff. And we stop losing them to other countries.

with that context I think it’s reasonable.

The unions seem happy with it, I’ve had a happy email from my union. I can’t imagine there will be strikes, not from nurses anyway.

What do you earn if 1,290 is 2% of your wage?
Making 1% = 645 so
100% = 64500....really?

I’m on agenda for change. I think given the current climate 5.5% is fair. But they need to keep offering above inflation wages.

I just moved up to the next pay progression and got about 100 extra a month due to increase in pension contribution and student loan. Can’t lie those 3,5k looked good on paper but made a very small difference.
I agree, those on lower bands will be massively disadvantaged by pension contribution threshold. Not sure what the answer is really.

Seems a bit disingenuous to compare the top band salaries as they are not what most people are on. I also just moved up the pay increase and have 3 more years to go to the top of the band. I assume by that point , any difference will be swallowed by CoL.

They are top of band figures for england not london weighted.

But whilst 5.5% is better than they were saying in the previous government, in real terms for those on lower bands is not that great. Its likely to again bump up pension contribution weights, and im lower band 5 with SFE payments etc, i think its about £30 a month more after deductions.

@Catza these are the top of the banding salaries as far as I can see. I'm midpoint on band 5 on £30639 (after 2 years), I won't go up to £34581 until my next increment after 4 years

22% is a headline figure.
it works out more like 11.6%

if you do the nurses pay inflation over the last few years it’s significantly more.

a side by side table would be interesting.

don’t believe all your fed re 22%