To support nurses and teachers who strike over 5.5% pay offeroffer

Wait ignore my maths - 5-7% not 6-8% - it’s been a long day 😂

They have more expenses like keeping up with training / travelling / exams/ student debt etc. As others had pointed out it's not really 22%..

My (pre tax) pay will only increase by £50 a minth as a teacher due to the rise being pro rata but it’s still an increase of 5.5%? So if it’s still roughly £1000 extra a year for each TA, that must still be an increase of about 6-8% increase of their normal annual wage?

So the offer for you amounts to 3.7% which is still an above-inflation payrise. It doesn’t work by saying, ‘well, that public sector body is getting more so I want more too!’

Be grateful. And be pragmatic. Can you ever recall a time when the LGA pay offer has been increased by the efforts of either GMB, Unison or Unite? In my experience their involvement serves only to delay the implementation of the pay award until November, which then leaves those in receipt of UC with a nil award in December (which then had the double whammy effect this year of rendering some ineligible for the final cost of living payment in March!)

I’m sure you do a great job, but you’re woefully naive to think the council pay award will increase this year.

I was open to a change. But these guys seem like they brought in a load of work experience kids to run the goverment.

3 weeks and not one positive thing. I shall await the greatness of Starmers labour and hope it arrives soon. Maybe it's on a summer holiday!

Also I haven't yet seen if these pay rises are fully funded for both NHS and education. If not, well thd we're all quite frankly, fucked. Our trust has indicated any future pay rises that aren't fully funded are going to cause major problems (redundancies).

I won't be striking for more pay. But also i'd like an option to say I don't accept it because I don't think we all need it. Sadly union greed means that option won't be put to us.

It’s still more than 2%. Forget tax, NI and pension, we all have to pay those.

If that’s 2% then it’s equivalent to FTE salary of 60k+. It doesn’t matter that it’s pro rata. That’s how pay rises work everywhere.

As are all part time staff.

It often is what many people are on. All but 1 of our B7's are top of salary band, and have been for many years. B8's are hard to get as very few posts, so many will become a B7 after 5-6 years post grad, and then stay on that potentially until retirement. I have been top of B7 for 10 years, and unless I get a B8, I will stay top of B7 for the next 25 years until I retire. Our B3's and 4's and our 8 have also been top of band for several years. 5's and 6's there may be more people on lower or mid band though.

This will depend on timetabling. PPA is only 10% of teaching time as non contact time. If you have 45 lessons and 5 free periods a fortnight, but all of your non contact is period 2, 3 or 4s, you're not going anywhere. All your WFH will continue to be in your own unpaid time.

A better change to conditions would have been to remove the clause that says teachers can be directed for 1265 hours a year and must also work as much extra time as necessary to discharge the duties placed upon them. Or to acknowledge that 6 minutes allocated per hour's lesson doesn't allow teachers to plan, prepare and assess without working mornings, evenings, weekends and holidays!

I’m on £35k(ish) and I’ve been offered £1290, along with all other council staff. I’ll be voting to strike if the offer isn’t improved, as will a lot of my colleagues. If the people that educate kids are worth 5.5%, and the people that maintain the health of those kids are worth 5.5%, then the buggers like me that work in social care and keep those kids safe from harm are damn well worth 5.5%.

But it isn’t £1290!!! It’s pro rata!

Well, that’s a 67% increase on what you’d worked it out to be.

TA pay rise is pro rata, see my pp. The £1290 is based on 52 week full time hours. Therefore the actual amount received is lower.

Of course I expect it to be pro rata, it was a pp that seemed to think it wasn’t, that’s why I did a break down.

Support staff still receive the lowest pay award of all local authority staff and also are paid the lowest wages.

Quite.

Teachers on M1 would only be earning £1650 more a year so there isn’t a massive difference between their rise and the £1290 rise for TAs? So surely the %rise can’t be massively different?

Bit early doors. Possibly in five years we might all be saying the same but it's not even been five weeks. No-one is ever going to be satisfied - especially if they have already decided that they didn't want Labour to form a government but I'd be tempted to wait before casting judgment.

Is that fulltime?

Not much more than a band 4 take home pay!

Support staff what will they get? Is this a line off payment or is it each month?

If you earn 13 grand will it now become 14 grand?

Are you FT? I'm only midpoint band 5 and I get £1898 after tax/NI/student loan & parking, yours seems very low!

So full time support staff are on 60k? Give over! 1290 is never 2% of a TAs wage.

Oops, makes it £18.90 instead. Now I can afford so much more!

What the poster that you’re replying to is saying is that for a full-time wage £1290 is much higher than a 2% payrise for most people as you’d have to be earning £64500pa for it to only amount to 2%. And naturally, the pay award is pro-rata’d for part-time people - why do you think it shouldn’t be?

Also, the UC taper hasn’t been 63% for over a year so your figures are wrong there. It’s 55%.

Support staff didn’t get £1290, that was the FTE awarded.

The calculation @Biscuitandacuppa showed was pretty accurate.

Edited…
My LA calculated it over 44 weeks, not 38.

I’m band 6 and take home around £1850 after deductions 🙃 I’d strike again in a heartbeat!