To support nurses and teachers who strike over 5.5% pay offeroffer

Shardonneigghhh · 2024-07-29T17:57:10+00:00

When the junior doctors were awarded 22%?

Spacecowboys · 31/07/2024 07:24

There is also a recommendation to introduce intermediate step points for the higher bands which I am pleased about. People I’ve spoken to so far think 5.5% is okay. I don’t believe there will be nursing strikes.

Fluffyhoglets · 30/07/2024 23:29

Biscuitandacuppa · 29/07/2024 22:17

Of course I expect it to be pro rata, it was a pp that seemed to think it wasn’t, that’s why I did a break down.

Support staff still receive the lowest pay award of all local authority staff and also are paid the lowest wages.

All local authority staff up to NJC point 43 have been offered £1290.

"The National Employers have offered council staff a pay increase of £1,290 which equates to 5.77% for the lowest paid and 2.5% for those at the top of the pay spine, from 1 April 2024".

I'm happy with it for now as our council is in dire straits financially and there's no extra money for these payrises.

When the tories got in they immediately slapped us with a 3 year pay freeze. Hopefully things will look better by next year and alas long as we keep getting rises I don't want to strike.

RheaRend · 30/07/2024 23:14

Sunshine9218 · 30/07/2024 23:03

It's pro rata though

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So are TAs on 65k pro rata? I think not!

olympicsrock · 30/07/2024 23:07

UncharteredWaters · 29/07/2024 19:29

22% is a headline figure.
it works out more like 11.6%

if you do the nurses pay inflation over the last few years it’s significantly more.

a side by side table would be interesting.

don’t believe all your fed re 22%

This

Sunshine9218 · 30/07/2024 23:03

RheaRend · 29/07/2024 20:01

What do you earn if 1,290 is 2% of your wage?
Making 1% = 645 so
100% = 64500....really?

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It's pro rata though

WetBandits · 30/07/2024 18:34

DoNotScrapeMyDataBishes · 30/07/2024 16:53

That still sounds low for B6 - I get just over 2k a month take home and I'm bottom rate B6, no unsociable hours - just bog standard full-time.

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It’s crap! I’ve asked HMRC a couple of times to double check my tax code and they say it’s correct, so I’ve no idea why I take home so little. I have to do at least one bank shift a week to cover my bills!

Cnidarian · 30/07/2024 18:15

We don't go up the bands in civil service any more, there are no mid points, we all just stay on the bottom. I'm paid the same with 4 years experience as someone with none, and I will never get moved up. The only way to get more money is to apply for another job. It's really rubbish! The % changes are a big deal, but losing the pay progression is the thing that has crippled the civil service.

DoNotScrapeMyDataBishes · 30/07/2024 16:53

WetBandits · 29/07/2024 22:49

Yes, bottom band 6, only got my promotion in Feb.

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That still sounds low for B6 - I get just over 2k a month take home and I'm bottom rate B6, no unsociable hours - just bog standard full-time.

Bushmillsbabe · 30/07/2024 16:46

Kitkat1523 · 29/07/2024 22:47

Are you bottom of your band?
because I was speaking to a colleague last week who said her pick up was 2575 on band 7 ( after tax, NI and pension)

and this is Monday to fri 9 to 5

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I was thinking this too. I'm a B7, part time, 3.5 days a week, and my take home is about £2300

bbc1234 · 30/07/2024 06:59

Spacecowboys · 29/07/2024 23:08

There won’t be strike action from nurses. The 5.5% will be accepted.

It's an award, we will receive it regardless. There isn't an option to strike at this point. We will however, be asked to vote on what we want to happen next.
I and many colleagues will vote to strike.

Seriou · 29/07/2024 23:13

The £1290 is based on a 52 week contract and doing 37 hours a week.

Most support staff do do either of these do you need to prorate the hours (eg 27.5/37), and then you need to reduce it depending on what TTO % is worked (eg 85.54% is term time only no training days).

Also, there was meant to be an additional day of annual leave as part of the deal, but that seems to have been an early casualty of negotiations!

Spacecowboys · 29/07/2024 23:08

There won’t be strike action from nurses. The 5.5% will be accepted.

Blushingm · 29/07/2024 23:06

UncharteredWaters · 29/07/2024 19:29

22% is a headline figure.
it works out more like 11.6%

if you do the nurses pay inflation over the last few years it’s significantly more.

a side by side table would be interesting.

don’t believe all your fed re 22%

But nurses pay lagged behind for many many years

NotSayingImBatman · 29/07/2024 23:05

Goreadabookyouilliteratesonofabitch · 29/07/2024 23:03

You seem to have misunderstood; I wasn’t offering advice. Rather, I’m telling you that you’re wasting your time based on what’s gone before. I could care less what you do with that information, it’s not me that’ll be losing out on a day’s wages.

All the best.

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Your support is appreciated :)

Goreadabookyouilliteratesonofabitch · 29/07/2024 23:03

NotSayingImBatman · 29/07/2024 22:57

Whilst I appreciate your counsel, I’ll still vote to strike for a pay offer that brings my wages closer to where they should be. Thanks though.

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You seem to have misunderstood; I wasn’t offering advice. Rather, I’m telling you that you’re wasting your time based on what’s gone before. I could care less what you do with that information, it’s not me that’ll be losing out on a day’s wages.

All the best.

NotSayingImBatman · 29/07/2024 22:57

Goreadabookyouilliteratesonofabitch · 29/07/2024 22:51

That’s not how it works though, is it. And it’s worth pointing out that for the last two years council staff have all had £1925 per year (over 5.5% for you based on what you salary would’ve been at the time) so, again, I’d say to be grateful for the 3.7%, it won’t be changing.

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Whilst I appreciate your counsel, I’ll still vote to strike for a pay offer that brings my wages closer to where they should be. Thanks though.

Goreadabookyouilliteratesonofabitch · 29/07/2024 22:51

NotSayingImBatman · 29/07/2024 22:41

We’ve had years of below inflation pay rises. If the money is there for some of the public sector that’s fantastic — but it has to be applied across the board.

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That’s not how it works though, is it. And it’s worth pointing out that for the last two years council staff have all had £1925 per year (over 5.5% for you based on what you salary would’ve been at the time) so, again, I’d say to be grateful for the 3.7%, it won’t be changing.

WetBandits · 29/07/2024 22:49

Kitkat1523 · 29/07/2024 22:47

Are you bottom of your band?
because I was speaking to a colleague last week who said her pick up was 2575 on band 7 ( after tax, NI and pension)

and this is Monday to fri 9 to 5

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Yes, bottom band 6, only got my promotion in Feb.

Kitkat1523 · 29/07/2024 22:47

WetBandits · 29/07/2024 22:09

I’m band 6 and take home around £1850 after deductions 🙃 I’d strike again in a heartbeat!

Are you bottom of your band?
because I was speaking to a colleague last week who said her pick up was 2575 on band 7 ( after tax, NI and pension)

and this is Monday to fri 9 to 5

Fifthtimelucky · 29/07/2024 22:44

If i'm honest i'd rather forgo my 5.5 percent pay rise and allow elderly people in need to feel warm(er) this year.

On the other hand I'm pleased my teacher daughter will be getting a 5.5% increase, even though my husband and I will no longer receive the winter fuel allowance.

WetBandits · 29/07/2024 22:43

polkadotpixie · 29/07/2024 22:14

Are you FT? I'm only midpoint band 5 and I get £1898 after tax/NI/student loan & parking, yours seems very low!

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Yep, full time! My pension, NI, tax and student loan from a previous degree knacker me every month!

I don’t work unsocial hours anymore, used to do nights and weekends as a band 5 and was far better off financially 😂

NotSayingImBatman · 29/07/2024 22:41

Goreadabookyouilliteratesonofabitch · 29/07/2024 22:36

So the offer for you amounts to 3.7% which is still an above-inflation payrise. It doesn’t work by saying, ‘well, that public sector body is getting more so I want more too!’

Be grateful. And be pragmatic. Can you ever recall a time when the LGA pay offer has been increased by the efforts of either GMB, Unison or Unite? In my experience their involvement serves only to delay the implementation of the pay award until November, which then leaves those in receipt of UC with a nil award in December (which then had the double whammy effect this year of rendering some ineligible for the final cost of living payment in March!)

I’m sure you do a great job, but you’re woefully naive to think the council pay award will increase this year.

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We’ve had years of below inflation pay rises. If the money is there for some of the public sector that’s fantastic — but it has to be applied across the board.

Biscuitandacuppa · 29/07/2024 22:41

WhappleBee · 29/07/2024 22:37

My (pre tax) pay will only increase by £50 a minth as a teacher due to the rise being pro rata but it’s still an increase of 5.5%? So if it’s still roughly £1000 extra a year for each TA, that must still be an increase of about 6-8% increase of their normal annual wage?

It’s not going to be £1000 because TA’s don’t work full time and aren’t paid for holidays, it’ll work out about £630 a year/ £52 a month for TA’s working 25hrs a week before deductions.

Mercury2702 · 29/07/2024 22:41

DavidBeckhamsrightfoot · 29/07/2024 19:07

And that recently they were paid money that they were legally owed after being wrongfully underpaid for years which was heavily taxed (it would not have been had it been paid appropriately) and also effected UC payments.

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I’m a nurse and last time we were told to contact hr if we were on UC to ask for it to be spread across how many months we wanted to minimise impact to UC, was that a possibility for school staff?

AllThePotatoesAreSinging · 29/07/2024 22:40

Goreadabookyouilliteratesonofabitch · 29/07/2024 22:36

So the offer for you amounts to 3.7% which is still an above-inflation payrise. It doesn’t work by saying, ‘well, that public sector body is getting more so I want more too!’

Be grateful. And be pragmatic. Can you ever recall a time when the LGA pay offer has been increased by the efforts of either GMB, Unison or Unite? In my experience their involvement serves only to delay the implementation of the pay award until November, which then leaves those in receipt of UC with a nil award in December (which then had the double whammy effect this year of rendering some ineligible for the final cost of living payment in March!)

I’m sure you do a great job, but you’re woefully naive to think the council pay award will increase this year.

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I’m also on 35k ish, civil service HR. I would be happy with a 3.7% pay rise. Of course I’d like more (who wouldn’t!?), but 3.7 is more than I’m expecting. Like you say, have to ve pragmatic about it. No one is going to die if I go on strike.