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To think we shouldn't be treated like mealtime maids

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LoveBlueCheese · 29/07/2024 13:44

On a family holiday. 11 of us. In laws, DH's 2 brothers and their wives. 1 nephew, and our own 2 DC. As its difficult to find a table big enough to accomodate everyone, it was easier to split into 2 tables. Scenario was - in laws always arrive early and then everyone else floats in. BIL and SIL with their DS come in and he wants to sit with our kids. Won't begrudge all the kids wanting to sit together. But then BIL and SIL then both choose to sit at the other table! So if DH hadn't spotted it in time, I would have been left alone with 3 kids by myself at the other table! DH came to sit with us and was pretty peed off at his brother and SIL. The same thing happened again the next day until we were deliberately late the next day. Amazingly BIL and SIL rocked up and got their DS to sit alone at the table and sat away from him with the rest until MIL made a snarky comment which made them move.

To add context - their DS has adhd. He is disruptive and literally can't sit still i.e. the kid that keeps running about in restaurants and bugging his parents every 5 minutes for the phone or for this and that. So my own DC can't eat properly either as they get distracted. AIBU to think u should sit with ur DC during mealtimes and supervise them as they are your bloody responsibility!?!!I felt like the bloody mealtime maid and so did DH! nephew is 7, not 17!!

OP posts:
graysquirrel · 02/08/2024 19:47

No help sorry but sympathise. For years I was treated as the family babysitter at events with in-laws. I was always sat in a dark corner colouring or playing uno while SIL amd DHs family having a whale of a time getting drunk nearby. (DH did help me)
Things came to a head when it was expected to cancel my 40th birthday holiday plans for a family wedding but as it was child free I was expected to not attend it and instead look after all the kids. We said no, went on our holiday and they barely speak to us now.

LifesTooShortForYourNonsense · 02/08/2024 19:03

Every single thread that starts ‘we’re on a family holiday’ is BU. Expect to suck stuff up for people that you actually like, or if you can’t or don’t like them, then you are unreasonable for agreeing to a family holiday in the first place.

CaribouCarafe · 02/08/2024 16:29

TiredParentAlways · 02/08/2024 16:27

You're one of the people who leave their kids with the childless adult in the family, aren't you? Or leave your kid with another person's kid and expect that person to watch yours too?
Got news for you- it isn't okay and means you suck as a person.

Actually I'm not - I'm the person who steps in when I see people are overwhelmed and don't expect anything from anyone. But feel free to just come up with random assumptions regardless 🍪

TiredParentAlways · 02/08/2024 16:27

CaribouCarafe · 29/07/2024 15:58

I can't imagine getting too upset about this - it's a temporary situation and they're probably exhausted from parenting a DS with ADHD and having every mealtime be a stressful event. I'd just lean into it and take it as a bonding opportunity rather than strike up a battle over the whole thing

You're one of the people who leave their kids with the childless adult in the family, aren't you? Or leave your kid with another person's kid and expect that person to watch yours too?
Got news for you- it isn't okay and means you suck as a person.

Lifelover16 · 01/08/2024 22:56

YANBU for not wanting to be treated like mealtime maids. The parents of the challenging child should have brought their nanny/maid on holiday with them if they didn’t want to look after the child themselves. They should not expect you to do it.

If the child is disruptive and “bugging” as you describe him, they could leave him at home with the nanny in an environment he finds more comfortable.

Crystallizedring · 01/08/2024 21:49

LoveBlueCheese · 01/08/2024 14:57

Didn't want to disrupt my already disruptive holiday but since the woke SEN brigade has stepped in to comment on my supposed lack of understanding about ADHD, fine!! The parents of nephew who has ADHD live in a country with live in maids. No prizes for guessing which country this might be. Their son is constantly attended to by a maid. And on the days when the maid is allowed a day off, their child goes over to the other grandparents (i.e., maternal grandparents). Sue me for not being a bloody bleeding heart FFS. The parents need a break!?? A BREAK???

Perhaps you could have included that information earlier instead of 4 pages later.
And it's pretty shit to use the term woke SEN brigade.

NeverEnoughPants · 01/08/2024 21:42

ginasevern · 01/08/2024 17:27

Well yes, it is OK. If she allows her DH to behave like that, it is entirely her shout. It's her husband, her kids and her life. Not saying it's right, but it's her choice or problem (however you want to view it). That doesn't mean to say that everyone else can treat her the same way does it. If her DH shouted at her, does that give the BIL the right to also do so?

Well, given that it's her choice to allow her husband to treat her like that and given that she allowed her BIL and SIL to treat her like that... then why is one ok and not the other?

I don't think either is ok, but if it's ok because op allows it, then surely it's ok because op allows it?

mathanxiety · 01/08/2024 19:43

BettyBardMacDonald · 01/08/2024 09:55

Sorry, but it's OP's holiday too.

The parents of the disruptive child need to manage between them, not arbitrarily impose on OP and other adults. They are deliberately taking the piss.

Not wanting to handle his needs doesn't equate to disliking him.

Agree.

The child has a pair of very shitty parents.

tiddletiddleboomboom · 01/08/2024 19:29

people were merely suggesting they might be at breaking point and unable to ask for support

Why is this only the OP's responsibility though? what about the 7 other adults on the trip?

Becs51 · 01/08/2024 19:15

LoveBlueCheese · 01/08/2024 14:57

Didn't want to disrupt my already disruptive holiday but since the woke SEN brigade has stepped in to comment on my supposed lack of understanding about ADHD, fine!! The parents of nephew who has ADHD live in a country with live in maids. No prizes for guessing which country this might be. Their son is constantly attended to by a maid. And on the days when the maid is allowed a day off, their child goes over to the other grandparents (i.e., maternal grandparents). Sue me for not being a bloody bleeding heart FFS. The parents need a break!?? A BREAK???

You’ve had posters reply that understand or have experience of SEN children. I can’t say any of the replies have jumped out as being “woke” , more just offering an opinion that more understanding of the other parents situation wouldn’t go a miss.
You seem extremely able to verbalise your issues on here yet not face to face with the rest of your holiday comrades, people were merely suggesting they might be at breaking point and unable to ask for support.
you know them and their situation. We only know what you posted.
Your original post showed zero understanding or compassion of your nephew or his parents situation and this latest post is frankly disgusting.
As a mum of an adopted child who is autistic and has ADHD and at breaking point I’d just like to say our world is made 10 times worse than the often living hell it is because of ignorant people like you and comments like that. It’s no wonder we never ask for help because you never know the person you’re asking and whether you’ll get a response like that.
take a long hard look at yourself before criticising other people’s parenting because if this is what you’re demonstrating to your children heaven help the world we live in.

GoFigure235 · 01/08/2024 19:04

When we went on holiday with family when I was a child, there was a children's table and an adults' table. The children were expected to sit nicely and show good manners, otherwise they were pulled from the children's table by their parents and had to sit behind them at the adults' table and didn't get ice cream. There was usually a stack of colouring or a pile of sticker books on the children's table, or a game like tiddly- winks brought along by one of the families.

ginasevern · 01/08/2024 17:27

NeverEnoughPants · 01/08/2024 11:14

Ah, got it.

It's ok to be treated as a mealtime maid by your husband, but not ok for others to see that example and copy.

Got it.

Well yes, it is OK. If she allows her DH to behave like that, it is entirely her shout. It's her husband, her kids and her life. Not saying it's right, but it's her choice or problem (however you want to view it). That doesn't mean to say that everyone else can treat her the same way does it. If her DH shouted at her, does that give the BIL the right to also do so?

Welshmonster · 01/08/2024 17:19

Your kid is your responsibility regardless of needs.
you may need a break but it doesn’t entitle you to assume that you can offload parenting

vanana · 01/08/2024 17:11

No idea why people go on these mega group holidays. Recipe for disastrous family relationships.

SerafinasGoose · 01/08/2024 17:07

BettyBardMacDonald · 01/08/2024 15:52

OP's been on the receiving end of many condescending and shitty comments, too, from people telling her she owes the parents of ND kids a break.

Some women are very good at volunteering other women for Wife Work.

It's strange how they never suggest that a man might do it.

Hope you stick to your guns, OP, and go out to sample some good local fare this evening. Women are not maids.

On a related point they're DH's family - time he stepped up and told them this.

blueberryforest · 01/08/2024 16:55

I feel sorry for all these childless relatives who are evidently expected to 'step up' and sacrifice their own much-needed holiday in the name of supporting family members with kids! I wouldn't mind helping out a bit here and there, but life's not a breeze for most people, even without children, and the point of the holiday is to relax, not change one job for another.

I wouldn't be happy to be given sole responsibility for a child whose behaviour is challenging at mealtimes, repeatedly, without so much as word—all while the rest of the adults enjoyed themselves at another table!

whereisthelifethatirecognize · 01/08/2024 16:00

Agree, OP has had many people on this thread telling her essentially that her inlaws need a break from parenting and she should give up her own holiday to do it for them. Um, no. Not how life works. I don't blame her for defending herself here by laying out what their 'parenting' actually is when they're not on holiday.

BettyBardMacDonald · 01/08/2024 15:52

Poettree · 01/08/2024 15:24

Well you lost me at "Woke SEN Brigade."

That's a shitty comment. For various reasons.

OP's been on the receiving end of many condescending and shitty comments, too, from people telling her she owes the parents of ND kids a break.

Shinyandnew1 · 01/08/2024 15:32

LoveBlueCheese · 01/08/2024 14:57

Didn't want to disrupt my already disruptive holiday but since the woke SEN brigade has stepped in to comment on my supposed lack of understanding about ADHD, fine!! The parents of nephew who has ADHD live in a country with live in maids. No prizes for guessing which country this might be. Their son is constantly attended to by a maid. And on the days when the maid is allowed a day off, their child goes over to the other grandparents (i.e., maternal grandparents). Sue me for not being a bloody bleeding heart FFS. The parents need a break!?? A BREAK???

In that case, it almost makes it easier to point out that you are not their staff!

Have you spent much time with them before? Could you have guessed the holiday would end up like this? I think I’d have not gone if so!

Poettree · 01/08/2024 15:24

Well you lost me at "Woke SEN Brigade."

That's a shitty comment. For various reasons.

TruthorDie · 01/08/2024 15:18

LoveBlueCheese · 01/08/2024 14:57

Didn't want to disrupt my already disruptive holiday but since the woke SEN brigade has stepped in to comment on my supposed lack of understanding about ADHD, fine!! The parents of nephew who has ADHD live in a country with live in maids. No prizes for guessing which country this might be. Their son is constantly attended to by a maid. And on the days when the maid is allowed a day off, their child goes over to the other grandparents (i.e., maternal grandparents). Sue me for not being a bloody bleeding heart FFS. The parents need a break!?? A BREAK???

Aaah. So these people barely do any parenting. This puts an even worse spin on it.

TeaGinandFags · 01/08/2024 15:17

Nothingspecialhere · 01/08/2024 08:51

What I’ve taken from your post is you have no understanding of additional needs and have decided your nephew is ‘disruptive’ and ‘bugging’. Regardless of the situation, your use of language is rather offensive. He does not choose to behave in such a way. Maybe a little more empathy and understanding of ADHD and other needs may make the situation different for you?

I understand you are on holiday and do not want to help your nephew. This is your BIL life though and you are fed up after a few days? As a parent of a child with additional needs, no, I would never leave my child to sit without me and wouldn’t dream of doing so, but maybe they need a rest as are at breaking point. Family should been seen as a safe space to help. You need to tell them you don’t want to as you clearly dislike your nephew based on your description of him.

As pertinent as your comments are, their bloody parents should still be taking care of their kids, especially if one has issues.

LoveBlueCheese · 01/08/2024 14:57

Didn't want to disrupt my already disruptive holiday but since the woke SEN brigade has stepped in to comment on my supposed lack of understanding about ADHD, fine!! The parents of nephew who has ADHD live in a country with live in maids. No prizes for guessing which country this might be. Their son is constantly attended to by a maid. And on the days when the maid is allowed a day off, their child goes over to the other grandparents (i.e., maternal grandparents). Sue me for not being a bloody bleeding heart FFS. The parents need a break!?? A BREAK???

OP posts:
tuttuttutt · 01/08/2024 14:44

They have some nerve. Tring to treat you like unpaid childcare and not even asking!

Shinyandnew1 · 01/08/2024 14:24

Are you coming back @LoveBlueCheese ?