Junior doctors offered 22% pay rise

@Blackbirdinfinity well you obviously love doctors 😂. The BMA is v strong and doctors know their worth. Public sector workers all need a pay rise.

And it's not 22% anyway. V v false headline. An F1 will go from £15.33 an hour to £17.85. For saving your life.

Want a doctor when you're ill. Pay them.

Pretty much everyone has had a real terms pay cut over the last 15 years. State sector and public sector. Everyone. Junior doctors were worse hit than most other groups, but they have been offered a 22% pay rise. And yet that’s not enough. The NHS is not part private funded like Australia etc, it’s publicly funded and wages reflect that. If the junior doctors didn’t like the conditions the NHS can offer, they shouldn’t have taken a training place in the UK and a medicine place in a UK university.

The BMA have lost the plot. Droves of members are leaving over both these strikes and their ludicrous decision to reject the findings of the Cass review. Pathetic, greedy fools.

Because doctors are cleverer, studied and trained for longer, and carry a heavier weight of responsibility than any of those undoubtedly deserving groups. And because they are much more likely to find jobs abroad if they do not feel valued in the UK.

This is whataboutery at its finest. Yes, the police should get a fair wage.

The junior doctors should get a fair wage.

This thread is about the junior doctors.

Jesus..some people here need to take a long hard look at themselves and ask why they are so angry and bitter about young doctors getting a fair wage. Seriously.

So the Police will get the same then I assume as they have also effectively had a pay cut over the years in the same way, plus a law change thanks to Teresa May meaning their pension has been massively reduced. And let’s face it, their working conditions are at an all time low and of course they can’t strike.

@newmummycwharf1 a good start as you say. Let's hope there is much more to come 🤞

Wes has accepted the DDRB recommendations (not given them more money than independently recommended by the pay review body) and allowed GP practices to employ GPs with the ARRS funding. That is a good start...

Wes has offered GPs more money today. Strikes unlikely anyway, actions to be taken will not compromise patient safety as junior doctor strikes didn't (because consultants covered).

You can't see a doctor as GPs were not allowed to use their ARSS funding to pay for one - for anyone but a doctor. But that changed today too.
GPs are driving Ubers as can't get jobs - we have enough doctors. We just done employ them. But things seem to be changing.

They're going on strike over their contract rather than their hours though I read. As someone unable to get a face to face appointment for seven months you have to wonder how effective it will be compared to hospital strikes.

And this specific government has been in talks with medics including GPs for over 2 years.

I think that’s highly unlikely. Presumably you have some evidence?

"Asked how much it would cost to settle the junior doctors' pay, the Chancellor told Times Radio: "It's GBP350 million." She said that was a "drop in the ocean" compared to the GBP1.7 billion cost of industrial action in the NHS to the economy last year." Funny how the Chancellor thinks it's not only far less costly that some of the amounts bandied about but good value.

Junior doctors are very well qualified and have valuable transferable skills. If you want to keep them you pay them, if not you can be treated by AI until the computers go down.

Ispecialise - seriously junior doctors are not the hardest done by owrkers on the planet - you have lost touch with reality

Where have I said that?

@uneffingbelievable again, Bingo ! No one ever, in the history of the planet, has said that doctors (or teachers) are the hardest done people on the planet. Never, not once.

I assume, as has been stated, that you have no idea what a junior doctor is ? Probably the person operating on your heart/child/leg is that junior doctor. Qualified 9+ years. And they leave because pay is shit and working conditions awful. And because of people like you.

The government as a collective - not necessarily this specific government. And this specific government has been in talks with medics including GPs for over 2 years. So are well versed on the issue but still propose more use of private healthcare. They don't get a pass

It’s been in power for 27 days, ffs. When will people stop expecting miracles?

GPs have just voted for collective action. When will the government learn?

It's really not even a new 22%, if I understand correctly this figure includes a previous already agreed increase (9%). This is unlikely to be agreed and strikes will continue. It's been put to the vote from the BMA as part of an agreement but since the BMA aren't pushing for yes strikes will continue.

Government need to restore Doctors pay. The strikes the previous government have caused have already cost an estimated £1.5 billion.

To fund FPR (35% wage increase) was costed at £1.65 billion. However of this £0.62 billion would return to the treasury in tax/NI - so net cost of FPR was £1.03billion. I.e. if the government didnt force the strikes and paid what the Drs were asking for (i.e. what they were paid in 2008 properly adjusted for inflation) they could have saved £470 million.

I strongly suspect the offer will need to be increased beyond 22% to end strikes.

There is no own goal. The poster is right that there is a problem at F1/F2 and training places beyond that stage. It is also correct that many junior doctors at all different levels are leaving due to working conditions and not being valued. The two comments are not contradictory. You do realise that junior doctor is everything below consultant, don't you? Or maybe you don't.

mumsneed wine - Bingo !! Was waiting for that comment 😂😂. Don't like it, leave. OK, they will, like teachers. We have 14 vacancies this Sept - anyone want a nice easy job

Own goal there - you jsut said there were not enough jobs for them in the UK!

Ispecialise- seriously junior doctors are not the hardest done by owrkers on the planet - you have lost touch with reality

I take £10 from you but give you back £5 is the best analogy I've seen for this offer. Not sure why Wes refused to follow the Scottish plan to achieve restoration over several years, which would have been accepted. BMA leaders asked but he said no.
Weird as it will cost more in the long run with locums and more strikes next year - unless FPR is achieved. It's not a pay rise, it's restoration.

To those who begrudge anyone else some pay restoration - how much would you want to deal with this (I 'm not reading the whole thing, the headline is bad enough)

Doctors pull 26-inch EEL out of a man's BUTT after he forced it in mol.im/a/13693493 via dailym.ai/android

Every young medic I know wants to stay in the UK and be part of a functioning NHS. But they need a job. Wee needs to sort out this first as it's cheaper than using PAs and doctors from abroad. We've trained them, let's employ them here.

Yes UK's loss is definitely other countries' gain. The irony is all the insightful people who berate doctors for being above themselves and not that special etc. don't realise how valuable and necessary medics are. Until the day they need their bypass or whatever and it will be "Wot no doctors!"

Really pleased to see the first few responses to this thread although haven’t read further.

The doctors deserve it and we need to end the strikes. It’s a similar situation to the criminal barristers last year. It’s pay restoration (or part restoration).