Junior doctors offered 22% pay rise

Why do you think they’re topping up their income elsewhere? It must be one of the most thankless jobs in the world being a GP. Constant moaning, repeat patients who don’t look after themselves, referrals that are jammed in a broken system, genuinely poorly people unable to get appointments. I don’t blame them for not wanting to do it full time.

They are paid too much to start with, it's funny about how people moan about inequality yet when people who are paid more than average get a pay rise, thus increasing inequality, it's somehow a good thing?

They had to do something to end the strikes which are crippling the health service and are costing them loads of money paying for cover not to mention the productivity lost from cancelled ops. It would be a false economy not to give them a decent pay rise and to then have strike action dragging on. If they refuse this offer, which is clearly more than decent, they will lose public sympathy I think. The offer needs to be high enough that it is unreasonable to refuse it. It does set a precedent though...

I think we can safely say this is where the £20bn 'black hole' has materialised from.
Don't get me wrong, I do think that junior doctors deserve a pay rise, however I think in the current financial crisis it is unreasonable to ask the public purse to pick up such a large bill and don't forget, other public servants are also in line for a 5.5% pay rise too.
It will be interesting to see what Rachel Reeves has to say this afternoon. I'm sure the movers and shakers are working overtime to spin this!

This is for Junior doctors whose pay is pitiful for their level of responsibility and training Not consultants.* *

Junior doctors deserve it IMO I know two whose work schedule would finish off most of us.

I will, however, be seriously pissed off if GPs demand the same. Getting in to see one ftf is impossible I've had seven months of monthly phone calls being prescribed medication that didn't work. TWICE!!! I've found the solution on Mumsnet and suggested the GP prescribed that. After six months they did.

The other issue I sorted with the pharmacist after standing my ground . Again fixed.

We've 12 GPs all working part time, some doing private work, some doing police headquarters work, one an out of hours GP attached to the hospital trust.

They're topping up their income elsewhere so nope don't deserve a pay rise.

That will be bad for care, so I hope they don't do that. So many hospital buildings are not fit for purpose any more.

The rest of the NHS have their own unions to negotiate pay.

25 days in power and a junior Dr resolution. How refreshing to have a government that actually governs!

Oops - I forgot the National insurance. It costs even less than I thought.

That’s good news!

Paying the doctors that do the vast majority of doctoring in our hospitals just has to be a priority for any decent society. And i For one am delighted that Labour have made this a priority.

Well I hope the rest of the NHS gets the same amount.

Public sector pay rises don’t affect inflation. The “consumers” of the service aren’t paying for it directly.

https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpolicy/does-public-sector-pay-drive-inflation/

I do laugh though at the many NHS Surgeons I meet in my area. Always saying how they don’t get “paid enough” to do various things, including sending kids to private school.
In total BS, they live nicely, holidays and kids in private school.
What they were really saying is they can’t afford to send their kids “boarding” at private school. sad

Good. Maybe they have a secret pot for public services like the Tories used to have for their cronies?

Unless you want junior doctors emigrating or working as locums to make a decent living it was necessary. It's still a lot less than they have lost over the years so no guarantee they'll accept it.

As for the funding - 20-40% of it goes back to the government in tax, a further 9% goes on paying back student loans. Then you save on some of the locum bills because you've kept some junior doctors and those savings are considerable. Then you get people back to work who havent been able to work because of the delays in treatment. And after all that they spend their money and you get some extra back in tax.

The net cost is very considerably less than you think.

Is doctor’s pay completely funded via NHS budgets? If teachers’ pay goes up 5.5% that needs to be fully funded together with the on cost hit otherwise many schools won’t be able to fund it

That’s brilliant! They’re massively underpaid for what they do.

The money will come from higher taxes. Given they have already said they likely can't give other public sector workers even a 1% pay rise this year (because they can't afford it), they're going to have to raise taxes for this.

Good. The pay for such highly qualified professionals is ridiculous.

@Bignanna I see no option to edit. I'd love to know how!

In the magical money orchard that the tories planted 14 years ago . I think there’s a password you have to whisper to get in, used to be PPI then Rwanda not sure what labours password is for it currently 😂

Ha Ha!

That's wonderful news! They were terribly underpaid.