Junior doctors offered 22% pay rise

I run a farm shop type place and people working a 40+ hour week make close to that. We work hard and it’s a more complex business than you might think, but you don’t need 7 years training and nobody dies if you fuck up. It’s INSANE that doctors have been on that wage.

There was a reporter on Politics Live today saying this wasn’t the case.

They are currently being underpaid and the private sector has had big pay rises. They are just keeping U.K. and because of this it won’t affect inflation.

They need to change the pay structure in the NHS. Porters, admin, caterers etc should not be on the same pay scale as nurses and health care assistants.

They've agreed the 5.5% for us too.
We had 5% last year and lump sum so I think we've done alright.
I'm happy with that pay rise and pleased for the doctors

It's brilliant for them but I imagine it will leave a sour taste for many other public sector workers who will be getting very little but have also massively missed out due to pay freezes and inflation.

Good, I’m glad they’ve got this sorted.

Spending is often a matter of priorities - cut some infrastructure projects to pay doctors properly seems fair enough to me.

It was the inevitable result of the incompetent Tory government and their corrupt cronies.

Are we going to introduce that as a rule for everyone with a degree who chooses to work anywhere other than the public sector? Or is it only medical students who should be considered property of the NHS on completion of their degree?

https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/workforce/gps-most-discontented-among-uk-doctors-gmc-survey-finds/

One of many many surveys and years worth of data showing that GPs are particularly burnt out and unhappy, and who wouldn't be with the general public so often baying for blood and barely valuing them at all? Thankless job, largely.

It seems a lot but it is just catch up really.

Doctors are some of the best qualified and most important people in a civilised modern society and, in absolute terms, they really aren’t that well paid.

Now if you don’t like overpaying people, how about FTSE CEO’s, and this is not based on success, FTSE has not provided a decent return to investors over the last decade.

https://highpaycentre.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/Copy-of-CEO-pay-report-2023-1-1.pdf

In 2022 alone, they enjoyed a 16% pay rise to £3.9 million, paid for out of pretty much all pensions.

Investing in the NHS is good for the country. Get people well and working.

See the National settlements in NHS pay 2013-2024 table and you can see the agreed pay rise % over the last 10 years and you can see a number of years were under 3% which as you say, may likely have been well received https://www.nhsemployers.org/articles/journey-nhs-pay-over-last-decade

This is for agenda for change employees. My understanding is junior doctors have been even worse off. I think it’s fair to see it as pay restoration personally and something does need to happen to reward and retain our desperately needed medical professionals where we have an increased demand and expectation of our health service.

Why?! They pay for their degree, they can choose to work wherever they like.

Because they've been massively underpaid for years. Nobody should be grateful for 3%, it's nothing after years of pay freezes and pathetic increases that still leave people earning less proportionally than they used to.

That was the inevitable result of all the money being pumped into the economy due to covid and was quickly brought under control.

It was nothing compared to what happened in the 1970s.

Look up stagflation. All the ground work is being put into place for it to return.

Good. Now for nursing & midwifery unions to give themselves a shake and advocate for the same, properly.

Doctors are very highly qualified and the responsibility they have is huge dealing with people's lives. They deserve every penny and I am very pleased for them. I hope others on here get behind our doctors and support them. They don't do an ordinary job. There is nothing more important than looking after peoples lives.I'm sure we would all agree that we want our doctors to stay in the profession in this country especially when we or a member of our family are a patient.

Yes! I've always wanted to reinvent indentured servitude for the modern era!

Good.

When you factor in the amount of training it takes to become a doctor, the debt that is incurred by medical students, and the salary levels, I'm surprised anyone can afford to be a junior doctor. I'd rather fund this that dodgy PPE contracts to the likes of Michelle Mone....

It's not 22%. It's a combination of 4% backdated for 2023-24, 9% for the last financial year, 6% for 2024-25, and a £1000 top up. It averages out to 22% over 2 years.

Read the detail. It's not 22%. Will still.leave a first year doctor on £6000 less than a first year PA.

Yes but they earn far more in the long run.

It's not a forgone conclusion that the doctors will accept. It still leaves the newest doctor earning a lot less than their assistants. PAs who have very flimsy training and are supposed to be doctors assistants.

Fantastic news.
They deserve every penny and more.
Really pleased for them.

No, they're not paid too much. They're some of the cleverest people in the country, doing one of the most essential jobs. They've had years of studying and training. Of course they deserve to be paid more then jobs that don't require that level of qualifications.